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Originally posted by UWM Here, let me hand you some toilet paper. Clean up all that shit spewing from your mouth. You are a fucking tumor on this forum. You give everyone from the United States a bad reputation and further the stereotypes that we have created throughout the world. You are extremely ignorant and closed-minded. I'm ashamed to say I live in the same country as you.

agreed

well my friend gave me the link to see it and I think this is one of the most gruesome, cruel and coldest way that a person can die. This is very inhuman and inmoral, and I think that by doing this ;they do not show any respect to the religion of islam.

because the video its too graphic, Im not going to post the link but if you are interested in seeing it. PM I'll give you the link to watch it.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Nah I met the guy, he never shuts up. You speaking about that, you should heed that advice.

It wasn't advice.

I admit that some of what I've said thus far has been my immediate reaction to what's going on, but the fact remains that things need to come to a quick end in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East before it spirals completely out of control. (As if it hasn't, already.)

You can stand by and point your fingers at America and talk about how we're all morons and we don't know what we're doing, but most of the countries who oppose our presence in Iraq are opposing it because they don't have the military power or the money to go in and lay down the law themselves. They just don't want to see us gain any more power than we already have. If a country like France had the means to get control over the oil fields, they would. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand politics. Europeans are no better than Americans in that they're just as concerned with their own well-being as people in the United States are. It's not an American mentality. It's a human mentality. Some of you need to stop pretending otherwise.

As far as opposing the war at this point, what does it really matter? The war is happening, and it's going to continue well into the next several years. Whether or not you agree with it means almost nothing, because it's already under way and things aren't going to change. The best you can do at this point is show some support and respect for the people who are doing their job. When you join the military, you aren't given an option as far as where you go to fight. You go where your superiors tell you to go, and you shoot at who they tell you to shoot at. If you ask questions, you're either going to jail or you're going to leave the battlefield with a bullet in your head.

I understand that there are innocent people in the Middle East. A vast number of those innocent people, however, cheer and dance in the streets when an American dies, civilian or not. Someone mentioned something about the Roman empire a few pages back. Ironic, given that the Roman public was a bloodthirsty, angry mob focused on bringing a terrible and painful end to their nation's enemies.

Keep riding the bandwagon against America if you want to. When it boils down to it, though, most of you posting in this thread are from countries that haven't done anything to help in Iraq, neither in the way of military support nor in the way of helping Iraqi civilians. You really don't have much room to talk, though, because you're no better than myself or any other American citizen regardless of how much you like to think that you are.

I'm done with this thread. It's going nowhere.

Rest in peace, Nick.

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Originally posted by rsxtypes This is very inhuman

this is very human imo

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I have tremendous respect for anyone in an army of a country, you want to fight if need be for your country and you might die for your country. Whether I agree with the war is a null point, troops are there trying to do what the government leaders set and they have families back home and they could come home in bodybag. I don't agree with America's foreign policy completely but I don't know what else there is to do, I mean your embassy in africa gets bombed, two towers get attacked, as well as the pentagon, I don't know how else I would react. The world is becoming a mad place now, so unstable, so many senseless killings (The spain bombing, The morocco bombing). People just don't care about others anymore and the world is nearing chaos at times, when you have a few people trying to attack the masses because of hate and brainwashing. I'm not sure what I would do in Bush's situation but the killing of Americans and foreign nationals worries me greatly, Canada has had a few kidnapped as well, it is just not America that is having their people kidnapped. The world has to see the videotape of the idiots killing the poor guy who's only crime was being from the western world. It is mad.

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Originally posted by torontotrance don't pull the Canadian bullshit, yes it is a great country to live in with a lot of bonuses but remember now....Abuse of prisoners is nothing new to us, do I have to remind you of Somilia in the mid 90's and the prisoners that were beaten and one was killed. I don't see why anyone has not mentioned that, sure Canada is pissed off about it but we pulled the same shit in the mid 90's as peacekeepers.

Heh, I actually brought that issue up in another thread when somebody tried to play the morally superior card:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ia&pagenumber=2

It's surprising what people can do, but unfortunately it's a part of human nature no matter what your nationality is.

Here's an interesting article which relates back to the stanford prison experiment:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...MNGN76IG761.DTL

And the Stanley Milgram experiment of the 50's:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004...l?from=storyrhs

Interestingly enough, the Stanley Milgram experiment was repeated in numerous other countries with the same results. Let's face it, humans are pretty terrible by nature.

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I think it is when you cross that line and don't care, we got problems and then you are a danger to society and should be dealt with. Ted Bundy killed once then again and again and again and he did not care, same with a lot of psychopaths. Religion can make people do strange things but I believe we all have a conscience and I bet most have thought about killing someone but we all said fuck it and realized how vile it was. I thought Islam was against murder as well, anyway whoever did it should die a painful death.

Hehehe, Canada is not exactly the most righteous country in the world, that's just the image our government portrays and is one that many Canadians have fully bitten into and are really clueless about in general.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I have tremendous respect for anyone in an army of a country, you want to fight if need be for your country and you might die for your country. Whether I agree with the war is a null point, troops are there trying to do what the government leaders set and they have families back home and they could come home in bodybag. I don't agree with America's foreign policy completely but I don't know what else there is to do, I mean your embassy in africa gets bombed, two towers get attacked, as well as the pentagon, I don't know how else I would react. The world is becoming a mad place now, so unstable, so many senseless killings (The spain bombing, The morocco bombing). People just don't care about others anymore and the world is nearing chaos at times, when you have a few people trying to attack the masses because of hate and brainwashing. I'm not sure what I would do in Bush's situation but the killing of Americans and foreign nationals worries me greatly, Canada has had a few kidnapped as well, it is just not America that is having their people kidnapped. The world has to see the videotape of the idiots killing the poor guy who's only crime was being from the western world. It is mad.

Thanks for not jumping down my throat. Good post, too. (I never thought I would say either of those things to you, toronto.)

I just want nay-sayers to stop for a minute and consider how many people their nation has lost as a result of terrorism and the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq compared to the number of Americans who have lost their lives. Then, I want them to think about how many of those casualties were unarmed civilians that never saw it coming or had a chance to escape.

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Originally posted by YaleTrance And please, do us all a favor and take that hideous picture off your avatar. It's disturbing.

You and I both know that you posted this several hours after I changed my avatar. Don't try to make it look like I changed it because you asked me to. That's just weak.

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and people blame the soldiers as well, I mean they joined the army to support the country but I doubt half of them realized that they might be killed doing the job that the government leaders want them to do. Peace always seems to come too late and at a heavy price, WWII was probably a great example, hostile few killing a ton and peace was achieved with a great cost of lives.

See I think that it is easy to second guess any politician at any time, in any country but I don't think any of us understand the complex job it is. You are balancing the public to get re-elected in most cases but trying to protect your country, safeguard your people. I don't like Bush but I have to admit, the guy was not given the easiest of jobs to deal with, a world where random killings by certain groups on unarmed civilians is commonplace, where peace is not as common. You have a civil war that is about to happen in Sudan, a middle east with just an endless cycle of violence, a few waging a war vs. a world power, some splinter groups bombing places in different countries. It is not the most stable environment for anything but that Berg guy has my sympathy, just like Daniel Pearl's death, it was the same, brutal, senseless and achieved nothing cept the world's rage.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher You and I both know that you posted this several hours after I changed my avatar. Don't try to make it look like I changed it because you asked me to. That's just weak.

Are you kidding me? I would have thanked you for changing it if you had done so by the time I posted that.

That's irrelevant though, you should be banned from this forum to spear American TAs from further disgrace.