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Originally posted by Floorfiller what? it was your trend hehehe...deal with it

you're on fire!

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Originally posted by UWM you're on fire!

"Yoh fiyad!!! Hahahahhahaha!!!"

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So...getting off topic every now and then in any particular thread is consider a trend? Someone explain to me, I'm somewhat new to the forum.

Extra note(not related to the thread, see, already in the trend): It was rude(lack of a better word) the way some just started countering Orbax's statements. Not a good way to debate. Should've offered another set of ideas. That's how people debate in some regions.

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Originally posted by ierxium It was rude(lack of a better word) the way some just started countering Orbax's statements. Not a good way to debate.

Welcome to tranceaddict.

And that's tame.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I personally do not see the need to believe in the bible to be an honest, hard working, full of love type of guy when I go out and meet people.

indeed. I agree. The main idea behind it however is that you have a soul. A soul with unrepented sins gets more and more twisted. The more you dont hold yourself accountable for actions, the worse it impacts your life. A lot of people have this idea that the nice old librarian whos a sweetie and never did anything wrong is going to Hell. She isnt, her soul is. *not* trying to convert, just throwing that brick of a summary out there Im friends with a lot of avid atheists as well, and theyre great guys. I sometimes worry about them, and hope theyll find a relationship with God one day, but not really my area to judge, you know?

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I believe the church has a bad and very shady record in its history, which has given me more than enough reason to leave it behind, I was born and raised Catholic.

dont even get me started! Soooo corrupt! agh!

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PS sorry for late response, working all morning and night, and had to catch some sleep last night, good arguments tho Orbax.

I thoroughly enjoyed it

apparantly it's trendy to bash the Catholic Church

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf apparantly it's trendy to bash the Catholic Church

Its had a bloody, scary, miserable history.

It has many devoted followers, however, and thankfully they are what the church is mainly comprised of these days.

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Originally posted by Orbax Its had a bloody, scary, miserable history.

bullshit.


For example, the Crusades were defensive in nature.

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if you acknowledge that the church has been corrupt in the past, it doesn't seem that far fetched to me to accept the posibility that a book, which has been rewritten and reinterpreted countless times by the same clergymen that were so corrupt, could also be corrupt? or at least a tool of the makers to use in corrupt ways...

thoughts..

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf bullshit. For example, the Crusades were defensive in nature.

Im mainly talking about how it got started in South America, the witch burnings, the fun little things like putting galileo under house arrest for 40 years because he found that the sun rotated and we were revolving around it. Ruined the mans life. They held back science and knowledge and spread fear and "believe in us or die" attitudes. It wasnt up for debate, there was no discussion. You either believed whatever they said, or you were against them.

The fact you could buy indulgences and buy your way out of sins.

the fact that commoners didnt know latin, yet thats what they preached in.

This was its founding. These days your local churches are a wonderful community, that I was was more present in other denominations. The fellowship is wonderful and the people usually very devoted.

I just have some issues with Pope John bitching out on a lot of stuff and not denouncing things he should be. Its turned political over moral, and I have a problem with that.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller if you acknowledge that the church has been corrupt in the past, it doesn't seem that far fetched to me to accept the posibility that a book, which has been rewritten and reinterpreted countless times by the same clergymen that were so corrupt, could also be corrupt? or at least a tool of the makers to use in corrupt ways... thoughts..

They werent the ones who wrote it

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Originally posted by Orbax They werent the ones who wrote it

then please tell me who did?


you can't deny that through out history the bible has changed. even if you get to the core beginnings of christianity, the counsel of nicea and the decisions about the trinity bla bla bla...i'm sure you already know...the book is a compilation of what the bishops of the church have decided upon. this has happened through out history on many different issues...are these interpretations not crucial to todays teachings?