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Originally posted by gerrycueto That's the lamest thing I've ever heard! There are no rules on how to dance to trance. To be honest, I'd rather see booty dancing than cheesey liquiding or raving, and I'd rather see penguins than totally high people dancing to music that's not there, totally offbeat, like if they have their own tune in their head. If you download video sets from all over the world, different cultures dance to trance differently. The Germans kinda do a little polka to it and in the Latin American countries, they add their bit of Latin flavor to it. Apparently, you might have no clue on how to dance period, if you need to lay out rules on how to dance to trance. In my honest opinion, it looks even way more "poser" coming to a club in pajamas with a pacifier, attempting to rave. You have your opinions. I have mine. My point is that dance music shouldn't exclude people just because they dance differently than you. This is a cultural artform that brings people together, and they can dance and have fun in whatever way they want to.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL Also, no need to disrespect the kids @ space because they are the ones that'll keep the scene alive. I would have loved to seen you dancing when u were 16. Remember you were that age before -smh-

Points well made. I agree. There are certainly no rules to dancing. I don't think there are or should be. I'm not attempting to say there are.

But you can tell if people are comfortable and flowing in a club or at an event. It is a fact is that the all-ages event was predominantly attended by people who either have not experienced the music very much (or were doing so for social/image reasons). This is because there was a 21+ event right after it which everyone in that age grouping went to instead. It wasn't like usual all-ages events where everyone is mixed together from start to finish.

All I was trying to explain was why the night felt awkward and incoherent for me. I definitely should not show scorn for people because they have not experienced that culture, and if I came off that way I apologize. I understand that new blood is necessary for the scene. But having such a high concentration took a lot of the spirit out of it for me. It was tangible.

And yes, Mel I sucked at dancing when I was sixteen.

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Originally posted by mdamon7278 At 16, the only thing I was doing with my feet was football, hockey and running from the cops on a warm fri nite!!!

dude. i know you want to stereotype the young group as the ones who should be looked at as sorry and not cool enough. but take me for example. i'm 18...i've been listening to EDM since i was 8 and i'm really hardcore in love with it. i take my EDM very seriously, even into a profession in the future. and i'm not lame, now am i damon? i know how to dance to the beat and not to mention WHISTLE, right??????????????

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Originally posted by gerrycueto That's the lamest thing I've ever heard! There are no rules on how to dance to trance. To be honest, I'd rather see booty dancing than cheesey liquiding or raving, and I'd rather see penguins than totally high people dancing to music that's not there, totally offbeat, like if they have their own tune in their head. If you download video sets from all over the world, different cultures dance to trance differently. The Germans kinda do a little polka to it and in the Latin American countries, they add their bit of Latin flavor to it. You have your opinions. I have mine. My point is that dance music shouldn't exclude people just because they dance differently than you. This is a cultural artform that brings people together, and they can dance and have fun in whatever way they want to.

Also, I'm not referring to the style of dancing. Of course it's silly to say there's any right or wrong in that, because dancing is a free artform, an expression that each person can elaborate on and shape in their own way. I'm completely with you there, and it's one of the things I love about EDM culture.

I was simply talking about the comfort and ease of the audience, and how that worked against the experience as a whole.

It was still a good night, don't get me wrong. But this was one of the reasons that it wasn't nearly as good as I expected.

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Originally posted by Cobalt And yes, Mel I sucked at dancing when I was sixteen.

Ok.. but enough with the NEGATIVE stuff...
I know I had a bad beginning of the night too but in the end we all had FUNNNNNNNN cuz everyone left way after 5 am ;D

i hope i come out on A3tv too haha ;D. busters a dork but the cam was on me for a long time so GO BUSTER!WOOOOO WEEEEEEE

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Originally posted by TranceXposure dude. i know you want to stereotype the young group as the ones who should be looked at as sorry and not cool enough. but take me for example. i'm 18...i've been listening to EDM since i was 8 and i'm really hardcore in love with it. i take my EDM very seriously, even into a profession in the future. and i'm not lame, now am i damon? i know how to dance to the beat and not to mention WHISTLE, right??????????????

Come on let's be real... The Paul van Dyk all-ages wasn't as bad of a crowd as some of the others all-ages events I've been to.

At the Tiesto at the bay... it was all cool until Tiesto got there, as I was ravaged by middle-school kids stomping on the seat, I almost fell off and injured myself... so I had to move to the front portion where there weren't any seats.

The 4th of July Blast had those old ladies who were really drugged up kicking up dirt in the air to a beat that didn't exist.

Paul Oakenfold at Virgin Megastore had a bunch of those wannabe ravers in pajamas.

Point being, you're never going to find a perfect crowd. So what there's a few posers and teeny boppers, get over it. Just have fun... find ways to avoid those people who are pissing you off.. the parties are pretty big and you can always get away from a spot you don't like.

If you're going to put dancing restrictions, age restrictions, and dress restrictions on people participating dance music events, the scene is never going to grow. Of course, you're not going to get along with every person there, but make the best of it. Find someone you like to dance with. and most importantly have fun

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Originally posted by gerrycueto The 4th of July Blast had those old ladies who were really drugged up kicking up dirt in the air to a beat that didn't exist.

I can vouch for that. There was one next to me. And her top came off.

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I can vouch for that. There was one next to me. And her top came off.

Yeah you got all sorts of strange people you never see at the regular parties at those free ones lol... glad I wasn't dancing near you

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Originally posted by gerrycueto Yeah you got all sorts of strange people you never see at the regular parties at those free ones lol... glad I wasn't dancing near you

Good thing, indeed. Her boobs scared the fuck out of me.

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Originally posted by gerrycueto Point being, you're never going to find a perfect crowd. So what there's a few posers and teeny boppers, get over it. Just have fun... find ways to avoid those people who are pissing you off.. the parties are pretty big and you can always get away from a spot you don't like. If you're going to put dancing restrictions, age restrictions, and dress restrictions on people participating dance music events, the scene is never going to grow. Of course, you're not going to get along with every person there, but make the best of it. Find someone you like to dance with. and most importantly have fun

Well, I agree. That's basically what I did. I'm not saying I stood disapprovingly by one wall, in protest. I danced and had fun. I was merely thinking later about why the night didn't match up to most other events I've been to, and this was one of the major reasons.

I'm not advocating restrictions. It was really that most 21+ people decided to voluntarily opt-out of the all-ages event, meaning that it was really concentrated with people who didn't seem comfortable with what was going on. That's not the case at, say, Ultra, where the crowd is everyone mixed together at once. Because of this, it wasn't really just little pockets of the crowd that I could have just avoided. I do that normally if I happen to not like my immediate surroundings. This was the mood of the event in general. And people were packed like sardines to boot.