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Originally posted by RapidFire the difference is that remix is actually good. the vocals work for a trance record and I feel they worked better on tiestos version than on Fades. and believe me Im the last person to praise tiesto.

I agree, the ISOT mix is quite breathtaking. If we're all truly honest about it... it's only fault is overplay and it remains one of the most moving vocal trancer's of all time, the structure is incredible... all the subsequent mixes do make me wonder why they bothered (A&B's as prime example)

Cannot speak for the original dance mix of it, I'll try and find it to have a listen.

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Originally posted by Ishkur A pure example of this is Delerium - Silence. Delerium is a New Age side project of Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulber. Silence, featuring Sarah Machlachlan on vocals, was first released on their debut LP, Karma, in 1997. Two years pass sleepily by, Karma enjoys decent reviews and sales for the exposure it gets. Then the Santuary mix of Silence gets played on Digweed and Sasha's Northern Exposure. And all of a sudden it becomes a CHOOON! Given renewed life, it suddenly started getting remixed by everybody, but it didn't become the big hit until the name "Tiesto" was appended to one of the mixes. When the original, made 4 years ealier, was far more evocative. Now people think Silence is a Tiesto song, issuing forth directly from his genius. Like Adagio for Strings, the man has a knack for taking already hits, making superfluous alterations to them, calls them remixes but not really, and through an aggressive marketing campaign akin to blugeoning you over the head, slowly muscles his way as being the sole owner of the track. And you people don't see anything wrong with this? ....he's getting dangerously close to DJ Mystik/Rankin territory here.

Speaking about Silence - prolly many many people haven´t heard the album version, so I suppose it´s not that "OMG TIestor1" case, just because Tiesto discovered the song for the masses a few years after. Plus the remix is brilliant.

Agree on the Adagio part. I hate how he pocketed the track, showing arrogance and giving no credit to the original artist. It should not work like this.

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I dont see what the big deal is about Adagio. yeah, the track is shit but its a cover. and covers dont list the original artist. Barber is credit in the liner notes. thats enough.

tiesto isnt the only one banking in on other peoples songs. just about everyone who does a remix thats not commissioned is doing so. same applies to covers, and EDM has a plethora of those. take Deep Dish for instance, who covered both Dreams and Flashdance on the same album.

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Originally posted by paulandrews Speaking about Silence - prolly many many people haven´t heard the album version, so I suppose it´s not that "OMG TIestor1" case, just because Tiesto discovered the song for the masses a few years after. Plus the remix is brilliant.

No he didn't. Sasha & Digweed discovered it. Tiesto was--once again--riding on the coattails of artists far more skilled and far more creative than him.

The Sanctuary mix is the best mix. It's a piece of sublime, subdued brilliance that really sounded like nothing else at the time of its release. One of the best tracks released of the 98-2000 era.

The Tiesto version was a formula-ladened, unoriginal, bombastic turd. It transformed what was a pretty keen idea into another same-sounding boring epic vocal track, no different than a million other epic records released in the period.

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Originally posted by Ishkur The Sanctuary mix is the best mix. It's a piece of sublime, subdued brilliance. One of the best tracks released of the 98-2000 era.

I find it quite boring and uninspired, and Im a huge progressive fan. the problem is that it sounds so forced. the bassline is awkward and way too repetitive and just by that its easy to tell that its a remix. tiesto's version on the other hand was so seemlessly blended the vocal with the beat that it just seemed natural. he made the song his own.

theres a reason it was the more popular of the two...and no, its not because it had Tiesto's name on it. he was still climbing up the ranks back then.

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Originally posted by RapidFire I find it quite boring and uninspired, and Im a huge progressive fan.

It's not progressive, it's just. fucking. TRANCE.

(progressive trance maybe, which has nothing to do with progressive)

This is what trance is, dammit. This is all trance has ever been. It's not supposed to go anywhere or do anything. It's repetitive. It's monotonous, and you don't like it, because it's fucking TRANCE.

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Originally posted by RapidFire theres a reason it was the more popular of the two...

Because people are stupid, and they rather prefer the bright, sacharine schmaltz of pretty melodies and soft pads than something as bizarre, alien, and antithetical to the pop music model they grew up on, which is why they shun something that resembles genuine trance music in favour of a sugar-coated replacement.

Enjoy your clown music.

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Originally posted by Ishkur The Tiesto version was a formula-ladened, unoriginal, bombastic turd. It transformed what was a pretty keen idea into another same-sounding boring epic vocal track, no different than a million other epic records released in the period.

Was it really 'the' formula then though? I would have thought it more was the mould; it became the track that defined the new age of uplifting trance when he remixed it that way with such, for want of a better term, epic-ness.

Perhaps other tracks had used a similar structure previously, and what Tiesto did wasn't completely new, but he was the first to take it and run with it, and use it to such astonishing effect... and if the ISOS mix of Silence didn't make the mould for all subsequent 'anthems' to follow in varying degrees of inferiority, what did?

Anyway, here are some more shit songs that everyone fell in love with, for reasons unbeknownst to me:

Interstate I Found You
Markus Schulz First Time
Max Graham I Know You're Gone
Andy Moor Halcyon
Adam White Ballerina
Blank & Jones Perfect Silence
Kyau vs. Albert Made Of Sun
Hammer & Bennett Language
Karen Overton Your Loving Arms
Armin Van Buuren Sail
Above & Beyond No One On Earth
Above & Beyond Air For Life
OceanLab Satellite
Whiteroom Someday
Above & Beyond Alone Tonight
Tranquility Base Getting Away
Alt + F4 Alt + F4
Tilt The World Doesn't Know
Signum First Strike
Whiteroom The Whiteroom
Perasma Swing To Harmony
Armin Van Buuren Burned With Desire
Scott Bond vs. Solar Stone Naked Angel
OceanLab Beautiful Together
Scott Bond vs. Solar Stone 3rd Earth
Gabriel & Dresden/Markus Schulz/Departure Without You Near

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Originally posted by Ishkur Because people are stupid, and they rather prefer the bright, sacharine schmaltz of pretty melodies and soft pads than something as bizarre, alien, and antithetical to the pop music model they grew up on, which is why they shun something that resembles genuine trance music in favour of a sugar-coated replacement.

and exactly how was Tiestos version a replacement for Fades when both were remixes of the track? if anything Fades was the replacement as it was the first to remix the original and turn into something more accessible (a dance track).

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Originally posted by queen_vee Was it really 'the' formula then though? I would have thought it more was the mould

No.

Ferry Corsten invented all those sounds more than a year earlier....and he and Tiesto codefied them in their Gouryella project.

Tiesto didn't even do any musical programming or soft-synth tinkering with his Silence remix. He used the exact same presets and patches that Ferry perfected and dragged and dropped them into a cookie-cutter mold that was already damaged from overuse by every other Dutch producer by the time the track was released

No thinking required. The scene was on pure auto-pilot in those days.

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Originally posted by queen_vee Anyway, here are some more shit songs that everyone fell in love with, for reasons unbeknownst to me:

Not unknown. It's really simple why those songs are popular: People like crap.

And that's one of the dead honest truths about humanity: That the vast majority of the world's population is ridiculously stupid, poor, untalented, and thus easily entertained.

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Originally posted by RapidFire and exactly how was Tiestos version a replacement for Fades when both were remixes of the track? if anything Fades was the replacement as it was the first to remix the original and turn into something more accessible (a dance track).

The original was New Age.
The Sanctuary mix was trance.

Both were intended for entirely different audiences

The Tiesto mix was intended for the same audience.

That's like making another dance cover of Bryan Adams' "Heaven". Were we really in need of one?

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Originally posted by Ishkur Not unknown. It's really simple why those songs are popular: People like crap. And that's one of the dead honest truths about humanity: That the vast majority of the world's population is ridiculously stupid, poor, untalented, and thus easily entertained.

people also like to set themselves apart from what the masses like in order to be 'different'. this is one instance where the masses are right.