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| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
If it makes you feel better about your little numbers game, Lebezniatnikov, of 150,000 a year: In WWII Operation Starvation was going to kill 10,000,000 Japanese. War is fucked, get over it. America was deceived into going, but after gutting the place, it would just collapse if we left. Why don't you give an exit plan? You've done an excellent job spotting the issue with your 20/20 hindsight.
and out of curiosity, did Bush or any top officials say "With Saddam's death the insurgency will end/the ills of the world will be better"?
Because, it sounds a little nutty to keep rolling your eyes and saying "yeah that solved EVERYTHING" when no one made any kind of claim that that would happen in the first place. |
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were the one who said that comparisons between the War in Iraq and WWII were unfair and stupid. To continue your own line of logic that was offered earlier, to compare a war in which the United States was attacked by a hostile regime and thousands of Americans had already been killed -- and international law and justice were on our side -- to a rodeo where the US defied international law and order and invaded a sovereign state on false pretenses? I expected better.
These are the posts I made my comment in response to:
| quote: | Originally posted by dallastar
Frankly, It's not like what I think would matter to anyone anyways! I am just tired or this bullshit war! I hope that having Saddam dead will filter out the violence towards people in Iraq. anything to end this god for sakin war, that is all... |
| quote: | Originally posted by chach
ya its barbaric, but the way he slaughterd kurds was barbaric.... did you feel bad then?? |
I never questioned the ruling elite of the US, just the general public who seem rather misinformed about the war (for fairly obvious reasons if you watch any O'Reilly or listen to any Limbaugh). Though if you want to bring Rumsfeld, Cheney, or Bush into this, well, where are those open arms we were going to be greeted with? The freedom we were going to create? The democracy we would instill? Even the Shi'a now hate us. So even though that specific promise was never made, I still feel like Bush is the father who always says he'll be at the baseball game but never shows up.
And here's my exit plan. You're right, Iraq is more or less screwed. The longer we stay, the more screwed up it becomes. While I'd love to stay if only to make things better and fix what we made wrong, that simply isn't going to ever be a viable option. When Great Britain was overwhelmed by sectarian violence in India in the 1940's, they simply packed their bags and withdrew. Yes, the partitioning process was painful and over a million people lost their lives. Yes, there was mass emigration within the colony, and it was very unstable for a time. But today we have three independent states where one colony once existed, with residence for the most part determined by the individual (with some notable exceptions). That's a distinct difference than a partition imposed by the United States, as some people suggest should be done in Iraq. It's true that poverty rates in Bangladesh and Pakistan are some of the highest in the world, though things like the Grameen Bank are starting to change that. There are a lot of other issues at play that cause such poverty too. And the only lingering conflict, in Kashmir, is rather frozen. So at least people aren't killing each other en masse on the streets of Hyderabad.
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