for what it's worth.....

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/...3924975479.html

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Originally posted by jad
A lot of you seem to be quite uninformed about this, so I'm going to 'dumb' it down a little so that everyone can understand what I'm trying to say.

So you describe everyone else as uninformed and proceed to provide absolutely no additional information. Well done.

"Rhetoric" is not the definition of "Information".

Are you actually from Palestine or just another self-identified Palestinian?

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Those comments were directed at those who are expressing their ideas with simple and uninformed responses, not at those who actually took some time to learn and write about this problem.

I do agree that what I wrote might very well seem rhetoric to some, but I do not need to justify myself to somebody that doesn't know me, my origins, and my experiences.

I find it rude you're asking me whether I'm a Palestinian or just another self-identified Palestinian. Straight up, who are you to ask me that? Is telling you I'm Palestinian not enough for you? The fact that I have a home and family there, that I have a West Bank Green Card (Hawiya Khadra)is none of your business, but I just had to put you in place. 'Another self-identified Palestinian'.. wow buddy.. that's just low and mean.

This is exactly why i wrote my original post.. to encourage those who don't know much and still express strong opinions to learn before they talk.

And diginut.. please do not insultingly question my origins you dick. I won't waste any more of my time with people like you.. you're just here to criticize... not to educate yourself or others.

Here's a link for everyone else: http://www.indymedia.org/or/2008/12/918545.shtml

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Originally posted by gummybear for what it's worth..... http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/...3924975479.html

... yes, a couple of times a month for me.


This one is also good to see another side of the story: http://english.wafa.ps/

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Originally posted by gummybear for what it's worth..... http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/...3924975479.html

I think Al-Jazera should be viewed as another news source with credible news and news casting. There is this stigma that goes around regarding it as some sort of "terrorist" based news station. But it's ratings suggest otherwise, being the most popular news station in the arab-world. If you do some research you will see that its actually quite a popular online news resource. Unless you consider the entire middle east, the many countries who broadcast it, along with the entire online population that watches it a bunch of "terrorists" you will find the news station a good source of alternative views.

And diginut, you really aren't helping in the debate much with your accusations... and secondly, don't be so sure your information sources are all correct as you are trying to show. Why is it that our arguments clash in every way? You could be well-informed but not necessarily with the right information. Im not saying your completely wrong, you just have to re-adjust your idea slightly to accept that the Palestinian people should be getting a fair trial in your head.

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Originally posted by jad You simply cannot justify the IDF's killing and wounding of countless (literally) Palestinians, with undirected and weak Katyusha rockets landing in desolate areas in southern Israel, which left minimal damage and no deaths.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2...nt_10568950.htm

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However, in response, some 60 rockets from Gaza struck areas throughout Israel's surrounding Gaza communities. A rocket attack on Netivot killed an Israeli man and wounded six other people when their apartment was hit by a rocket.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Here is some food for thought: Why do you see rallies and protests, comprised of millions upon millions of people with different ethnicities in different parts of the world over the last few decades, all crying out for Palestine... but you'll be lucky to find one for Israel? Usually the only Israeli protests, are counter-protests. Does that maybe suggest something?

Diginut is a muslim hating peace of shit.Dont take his words too seriously people.


From the way things are going now I wouldnt be surprised if there ll be a third intifada against the zionist regime.

The IDF has to be stopped one way or another.I just cant wait to see that day were the US stope giving shit load of money and weapons to Isreal.

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Last edited by hardcore trancer on Dec-31-2008 at 14:41

Here comes the ad hominem!!!!




p.s...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Diginut is a musim hating peace of shit.Dont take his words too seriously people.

spell Muslim right at least, or relax.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia Here is some food for thought: Why do you see rallies and protests, comprised of millions upon millions of people with different ethnicities in different parts of the world over the last few decades, all crying out for Palestine... but you'll be lucky to find one for Israel? Usually the only Israeli protests, are counter-protests. Does that maybe suggest something?

Europe is so progressive in their social movements..we seriously need to take a page out of their book....

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Originally posted by jad I find it rude you're asking me whether I'm a Palestinian or just another self-identified Palestinian. Straight up, who are you to ask me that? Is telling you I'm Palestinian not enough for you? The fact that I have a home and family there, that I have a West Bank Green Card (Hawiya Khadra)is none of your business, but I just had to put you in place. 'Another self-identified Palestinian'.. wow buddy.. that's just low and mean.

no, thats not enough. they read books and watch cnn and bbc, they know better than you

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there is no benefit to anyone really. it would only escalate the conflict even further

nobody would benefit??? 500 people dead, at least one kid under 5. and nobody would benefit???

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i'm a history major with almost a minor in poli sci (still working on it)

if our future depends on you and others like you ill kill myself right now. right now!!!

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What I have done is read several books on the subject, gone through several sites and essays on the subject both pro- and anti-Israel (checking references and weighing evidence accordingly, of course), spoken to a number of people from Israel and from Palestine, and been to the region myself some years ago (although obviously I didn't hang around on the Gaza strip).

ugh. man..... fuck it. just a quick question : did you see infected mushroom while there by any chance??

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So what media is the right one Anas? (I don't have cable or satellite TV if you want my answer). If you are ready to refute others' I am interested in your own, if that is anything different than the several clips and media you have already provided.

would you believe him if he told you he has a family there?? or if he told you his family was killed in the bombings??? why would you rather believe "media" then somebody who actually has a first hand knowledge about whats going on there?


your(western) media is biased, thats been proven time after time.

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This is further support for Anas Attia's argument about the credibility of media sources.. I was trying to search the phrase 'december gaza casualty figures' on google, only to find that most of the results were from sources with views parallel to Israel's general public opinion. These are the same views you'll see when you open your tv to CNN or CTV. After searching through many results, I finally stumbled upon one article which showed a Palestinian perspective... it worries me to see Palestinian viewpoints being supressed in something that is so widely used - Google search. If you don't believe me try it out yourself. My point is that everyone should pay attention to the bias in mainstream information which is made easily accessible to us.

Read and compare... pay special attention to the figures:

2 of the earlier results:

http://www.yourish.com/2008/12/27/5830

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=84697

one of the later results:

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf...KE?OpenDocument

My condolences go out to the families of all the innocent people that have lost their lives in this massacre.