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Noisician
Harsh electronic purity



Registered: Aug 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
Same with unicorns, even though they're funny


there's absolutely nothing funny about a unicorn. there's a good chance one of them gon' fuck you up BAD one day.


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PETRAN
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Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by mphreak
Minimal was big. Next big thing is deep house, so c'mon...lets jump on this bandwagon




Deep House has been around forever and it will never be big because of its' very anti-big-room nature. Deep House is music for lounges and small bars, is about moving slowly to the sexy jazzy house sounds while enjoying a martini. Not about getting the glow-sticks up in the air while screaming "Armin i love you xxx"

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PETRAN
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Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
there's absolutely nothing funny about a unicorn. there's a good chance one of them gon' fuck you up BAD one day.




Man thats one baaddd unicorn. I bet that Emperor's flying black rider will slay it easily though!



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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
there's absolutely nothing funny about a unicorn. there's a good chance one of them gon' fuck you up BAD one day.


This is true. Picking on people for the unicorns is a very bad idea...


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Noisician
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giddy up!


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Chimney
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Registered: Oct 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by Noisician
giddy up!




That's the techno unicorn?

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nefardec
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Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Deep House has been around forever and it will never be big because of its' very anti-big-room nature. Deep House is music for lounges and small bars, is about moving slowly to the sexy jazzy house sounds while enjoying a martini. Not about getting the glow-sticks up in the air while screaming "Armin i love you xxx"



actually you'd be surprised - deep house was all over berlin this summer, in venues like maria that have been host to minimal techno for years

it's very possible for 'soul' to become in vogue. as craig alexnder puts it: THERE'S A SOUL REVIVAL GOIN ON. BETTER GET YO TICKET OR YOU GONNA GET LEFT

but i pretty much agree, it won't make a big splash - it's not obnoxious enough to become popular. people have short attention spans and thrive on gimmicks, and deep house is usually anti-gimmick except when it employs naked music type of vocals or piano solos/saxophones/etc

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EddieZilker
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The nil Value of Negative Critique

Okay.

There is some music that is never going to be any good.

Even the people who make it aren't that thrilled about the outcome.

Robert Smith doing Frank Sinatra covers will never be marketable.

My point is that someone bashing one form of music is doing so in order to promote what they think it should be, and therefore, what it is not. Someone who extols its virtues appreciates it for what it is. The person who is bashing a style and/or genre has no capacity to appreciate what they're bashing because they either will not or cannot conceive of anything that ought to exist outside their own particular tastes.

I dislike the Jonas Brothers. From what I've heard, their music is sonic pulp-fiction; a throw-back to Bubble Gum Pop with a dash of nutmeg and cinnamon to give it a little psuedo-hipster zazz. Of course, I have no way of appreciating their music, either. I'm not a teen-aged girl looking for edgy yet non-threatening males to identify with the neurotic longing and inner-turmoil associated with emerging into the world with a negligible degree of actual autonomy. If I liked the Jonas Brothers, I might also be eager for the emancipation from my over-protective parents while I clung to the innocence of child-hood teddy-bear collections. I would be hoping to catch that glimpse of true beauty and chivalry from any number of pubescent suitors, most of whom are just trying to relieve their imperious itch with all the finesse of a male chihuahua trying to seed female doberman pincer.

If I, however, start writing, profusely, about how I dislike the Jonas Brothers because their music has a wince-inducing, saccharine quality, what I'm really saying, in addition to a very cloaked admission that I am an immature male who lacks the capacity to relate with women his own age, is that I would rather like the Jonas Brothers if they wrote music which appealed to my tastes and preferences. Ergo, I am lashing out against them in order to promote what I want. I would have to believe, no matter how much I denied it, that there was some intrinsic value to their music which could be refined to suit my tastes. Regardless, I am lashing out at the Jonas Brothers because they are something which never will be.

Minimalism is not trying to be anything other than what it is. Euphoric Trance isn't ever going to want to "tone it down" a notch. To bash one form over another is fool-hardy. Only if you can appreciate something for what it is trying to be, can you offer some sort of qualified criticism, good or bad, based upon what it actually is. If you can't appreciate it, then don't listen to it. You certainly shouldn't expect someone who thinks it's free-based excellence to see your point of view. In the end, our choices in music are more about satisfying psychological wants and needs than about what is actually, musically better.

If it were about choosing what is musically better, then everyone would like Charles Mingus.

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Noisician
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quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Man thats one baaddd unicorn. I bet that Emperor's flying black rider will slay it easily though!


BRING IT ON, BITCH!



quote:
Originally posted by Chimney
That's the techno unicorn?


that's the noise unicorn.


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PETRAN
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Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Chimney



No man! Thats the enemy of Emperor's black flying rider. Thats what i call a battle!

Thats the Techno Unicorn- The original Detroit UR type




And thats the modern...minimal unicorn...

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RJT
last minute disco



Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
The elitists who post negative things about others *solely* based on their musical preference(s) alone are idiots. Now, just as real-life society has idiots... (surprise) message boards have idiots as well! To say there is bad modding or 'trolling is allowed' is missing the point - it's (usually) best to let the community go off on someone who is acting out of line and let them slowly get ostracized/give up/go elsewhere. If you just ban them they'll re-register, and with the ease of proxies it's harder to keep certain people out.

As well, when you're quick-to-ban everything 'objectionable' then all you do is create an environment full of monotony. This was the reason why TA never had many official 'rules' posted since once you go down that road you have to continually add new rules so that ppl can't just say "well, the rules didn't say I couldn't do it, so I did it." However, now you leave yourself vulnerable to the elitists who feel it's their duty to be the loudest/most condescending towards those they feel are 'trolls' ALL THE TIME. So, now instead of risking monotony from having too many rules you instead create monotony with the elitists bitching/being negative ANY CHANCE they get. You create this air of hostility that is hard to overcome!


This is the whole reason I think a fair number of people stick around this forum in the first place (regardless of whether or not I was one of the idiots to whom you were referring).

Conversely, excessive moderation and forums who play "fast & loose" with the rules (creating and/or removing rules due to single circumstance) generally seem to be those that never grow or change - the populous is generally of the same demographic and opinion, and nothing interesting really ever comes up, certainly no intelligent discussion/debate regarding music.

It may seem odd to say this with as many folks who bitch about the population here, but in general TA has a really sound number of people who've continually been a part of this forum for no other reason than their love of electronic music, and who have turned myself and countless others onto music they wouldn't have heard otherwise.

Needless argument and bickering is obviously the least fun part of just about any internet forum, but I really do think that in general the community here is as good as it is due to the relatively hands free approach towards content moderation.

People can complain all they like, but TA is certainly one of the more unique and enjoyable internet forums I've ever been a part of.


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nefardec
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Re: The nil Value of Negative Critique

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
Okay.

There is some music that is never going to be any good.

Even the people who make it aren't that thrilled about the outcome.

Robert Smith doing Frank Sinatra covers will never be marketable.

My point is that someone bashing one form of music is doing so in order to promote what they think it should be, and therefore, what it is not. Someone who extols its virtues appreciates it for what it is. The person who is bashing a style and/or genre has no capacity to appreciate what they're bashing because they either will not or cannot conceive of anything that ought to exist outside their own particular tastes.

I dislike the Jonas Brothers. From what I've heard, their music is sonic pulp-fiction; a throw-back to Bubble Gum Pop with a dash of nutmeg and cinnamon to give it a little psuedo-hipster zazz. Of course, I have no way of appreciating their music, either. I'm not a teen-aged girl looking for edgy yet non-threatening males to identify with the neurotic longing and inner-turmoil associated with emerging into the world with a negligible degree of actual autonomy. If I liked the Jonas Brothers, I might also be eager for the emancipation from my over-protective parents while I clung to the innocence of child-hood teddy-bear collections. I would be hoping to catch that glimpse of true beauty and chivalry from any number of pubescent suitors, most of whom are just trying to relieve their imperious itch with all the finesse of a male chihuahua trying to seed female doberman pincer.

If I, however, start writing, profusely, about how I dislike the Jonas Brothers because their music has a wince-inducing, saccharine quality, what I'm really saying, in addition to a very cloaked admission that I am an immature male who lacks the capacity to relate with women his own age, is that I would rather like the Jonas Brothers if they wrote music which appealed to my tastes and preferences. Ergo, I am lashing out against them in order to promote what I want. I would have to believe, no matter how much I denied it, that there was some intrinsic value to their music which could be refined to suit my tastes. Regardless, I am lashing out at the Jonas Brothers because they are something which never will be.

Minimalism is not trying to be anything other than what it is. Euphoric Trance isn't ever going to want to "tone it down" a notch. To bash one form over another is fool-hardy. Only if you can appreciate something for what it is trying to be, can you offer some sort of qualified criticism, good or bad, based upon what it actually is. If you can't appreciate it, then don't listen to it. You certainly shouldn't expect someone who thinks it's free-based excellence to see your point of view. In the end, our choices in music are more about satisfying psychological wants and needs than about what is actually, musically better.

If it were about choosing what is musically better, then everyone would like Charles Mingus.



you just have to consider that a lot of people listen to music not because they really like the music itself but because they are attached to emotions and thoughts that are associated with it due to cultural conditioning, group behavior, and experience.

also, I firmly believe that most people wouldn't be stuck in these musical ruts if they were just exposed to other kinds of music.

not enough people listen to mingus, but if they did I'm sure they'd appreciate him. That said, because of certain social preconditions that I described above, some people will be turned off by it without even really hearing the music.


I feel that people come along a continuum - basically you have materialists/extroverts who tend to reflect 'vibes' without really taking them in, and you have immaterialists/introverts who receive and resonate with these 'vibes'. Some people just don't feel the vibes. By 'vibe' i mean the energetic vibration which is the essence of music. The only level at which they can appreciate music is on the surface, that is, how popular it is, how fun the parties are, how hot the singer is, or maybe some sort of cultural connection like the angsty teenage girl thing you highlighted

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