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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Heh, sorry I don't hang around in forums all day.. Do you really think a plane made that hole? I don't. That looks like a missle hit it. Where are the wings? The "pilot" Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot. Yet he flew a 747 at 530 mp/h 2 feet about the ground, into the Pentagon?

You know i cant accuse someone of plagarism by saying "they didnt write that" without showing proof of who did in fact write it.

same goes for your "do you really think a plane made that hole", well what do you think made that hole and where is any proof of this whatsoever?

Why do i think a plane made the hole? they found the front landing gear inside the center of the pentagon, there were pieces of aircraft on the lawn... these are all indicative of a plane hitting the building....


what do you propose hit the building, and what evidence do you have to support this theory?


further more, its much harder to keep a plane from hitting things than it is to crash it into them. Had he landed the plane on the pentagon lawn, i woudl call bullshit as he was said to be a crappy pilot. but since he crashed the fucking plane into the building..... i would say that he does infact suck at flying!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Heh, sorry I don't hang around in forums all day..

Maybe you should spend more time here and less time on your truther web sites you would look like an idiot less often

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Do you really think a plane made that hole? I don't. That looks like a missle hit it. Where are the wings? The "pilot" Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot. Yet he flew a 747 at 530 mp/h 2 feet about the ground, into the Pentagon?

jesus christ, can't you do any better than this? Once again a picture accompanied by some baseless claims backed up by no evidence and absolutely not even a basic knowledge of physics or engineering (or common sense for that matter) on your part (big surprise):

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.


Sorry dumbass, not a missile.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Holy shit, this thread is still alive? Why God, why?!?!?!? This thing is seriously one giant, ugly monster on the board that just won't fucking go away. Who the hell is gonna read through 211 pages of this crap? Enough already. Somebody torch this sucker.

im sorry opus. i just can't help it

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Do you really think a plane made that hole? I don't. That looks like a missle hit it. Where are the wings?

yeah, a missile that fooled a couple hundred witnesses into thinking it was a big plane, and also managed to deposit the bodies of those on flight 77 into the rubble, some of which was matched via DNA.

idiot.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding pkcRAISTLIN? Spill the beans PKC, you agent !

Just so no one's confused, I realize I'm batshit crazy but come on now... I can "take the piss" too

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im sorry opus. i just can't help it

Yeah, didn't you say about a year ago that you'd given up on the 'mis-guided' (or words to that effect) people in this thread?



Here is the Genbaku dome in Hiroshima, Japan. I went there 2 weeks ago.



As I was standing there, it occurred to me... How did this brick and copper building survive a 1-mile radius, 13 kiloton TNT explosion? And the World Trade Centre collapse when a plane crashed into it near the top?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ As I was standing there, it occurred to me... How did this brick and copper building survive a 1-mile radius, 13 kiloton TNT explosion? And the World Trade Centre collapse when a plane crashed into it near the top?

does it ever occur to you that different buildings react differently to different stresses?

on the data you have provided ^^, you couldn't begin to draw any conclusions at all about the relationship between the apples and fresh avocado youre trying to compare there.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Yeah, didn't you say about a year ago that you'd given up on the 'mis-guided' (or words to that effect) people in this thread? Here is the Genbaku dome in Hiroshima, Japan. I went there 2 weeks ago. As I was standing there, it occurred to me... How did this brick and copper building survive a 1-mile radius, 13 kiloton TNT explosion? And the World Trade Centre collapse when a plane crashed into it near the top?

how far from ground zero?

ground detonation or air detonation?

from the looks of things, its only 3 maybe 4 stories tall max...... not even comparing apples to another food group here.


lastly, in what way is a commercial airliner in any way similar to a nuclear bomb?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN does it ever occur to you that different buildings react differently to different stresses?

Yes, it did. But, I was just curious. Why could it 'withstand' that kind of punishment?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN on the data you have provided ^^, you couldn't begin to draw any conclusions at all about the relationship between the apples and fresh avocado youre trying to compare there.

I have no degree in science, but I'm assuming bricks and copper are weaker and have a lower melting point than stainless steal and the other materials the WTC was made of.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp how far from ground zero?

Less about a 30 second minute walk away

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp ground detonation or air detonation?

Air detonation, above the bridge (30 seconds - 1 minute normal walk away). But other buildings that were on a lower elavation were wiped out.

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp from the looks of things, its only 3 maybe 4 stories tall max...... not even comparing apples to another food group here.

But my point is? Surely the smaller it is, the easier it is to destory?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp lastly, in what way is a commercial airliner in any way similar to a nuclear bomb?

It's not; which is my point. I'm sure you'll find holes in this, but... I'm assuming A-bomb provides a stronger explosion, more intense heat, more damage than a jet-liner crashing into a building?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ Yeah, didn't you say about a year ago that you'd given up on the 'mis-guided' (or words to that effect) people in this thread? Here is the Genbaku dome in Hiroshima, Japan. I went there 2 weeks ago. As I was standing there, it occurred to me... How did this brick and copper building survive a 1-mile radius, 13 kiloton TNT explosion? And the World Trade Centre collapse when a plane crashed into it near the top?

You are baiting here and I think I'll pass. But maybe you could explain how the Titanic was sunk by an iceburg when much smaller ships have been bombed, torpedoed, and/or struck by aircraft and survived.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I have no degree in science, but I'm assuming bricks and copper are weaker and have a lower melting point than stainless steal and the other materials the WTC was made of.

like i said, the two situations are not remotely comparable, please stop trying.

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