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Originally posted by arctic I don't see a difference myself, but read into it what you will. Actually, I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or if you're being serious here. Stop confusing me.

she was talking about my case in particular, not speaking in general. get your facts straight before you start twisting comments around

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Originally posted by Heinz alyssa....DEBATE OR STFU!!!!!!!!!! PM me if u dont understand... If God did not exist, then our world as we know it, would tumble into chaos. what prevents this galaxy of milky way to collide into another, or our planet to be not pulled into the sun. the sun is bigger than all planets in the solar system combined, but yet we have an orbit, the same every year.

Thine words carry much wisdom good friend. But alas! From my superaureal senses, I have detected that thou has contracted a terrible malaise of Sanguine that has been transmuting through the aether all around us. If untreated, thine affliction shall surely render you lifeless.

Fortune doth smile upon you though. For whilst in my primary profession, I am one of the most skilled alchemists on middle Earth, I am a practiced physician on the side as well and I shall treat thee! I have expertly concluded that thine malaise is due to a preponderance of blood and yellow bile. Therefore we must void the body of the imbalanced humor! As we proceed we shall follow the teachings of the great Hippocrates, “What drugs will not cure, the knife will; what the knife will not cure, the cautery will; what the cautery will not cure must be considered incurable.” Only through careful use of drug induced vomiting, diarrhea, blood letting, and cauterization can we consume the excess humor!

Prithee, I am humbly a budding wizard of some prowess as well. If thou hast a mermaid scale or a dragon’s tongue I could construct a talisman that will increase thy sexual virility thricefold. No payment is necessary! For as one of the most esteemed alchemists in these lands I have grown quite wealthy from my practice.

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I could go on and on about darkness and light. take science out of this, because science proves nothing but the material physical world. it cant prove thought, existance, or logic. it measures the measurable. its proves what can be proved. if something has mathematical properties to it, it is scienctific. if no then it is not scientific. the bible is not a scientific book, therefore you cannot look at it as though you are a scientist. You people will never understand christianity or god, jesus, the bible, church. your eyes are closed. u are in darkness, and hate the light. do u know where your life is going?? in the dark, can you see where you are going?? no...you cannot. you dont know your future. but, in the light, can u not see where u walk?? in darkness, u know nothing but what u can touch. but you CANNOT SEE!! but few of you will understand what i have said....

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Originally posted by TranceGiant idiot

no sense of humor

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Again,freewill. It's what you choose. The only way to heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior into your heart. I do know some religious folk believe that good deeds get you into heaven..but, there's a verse in the Bible that says there's only one way,and that way is accepting Jesus into your heart. People can be very good,and do very good deeds,but that doesn't mean that they're permitted into heaven. I hope you get what I'm saying.

I'm surprised more people aren't jumping on this silliness.

Nessa, is it moral and/or just for a God to exclude those who have been good their entire lives yet merely fail to accept Jesus Christ while admitting a prolific sinner to heaven simply because he confesses his sins prior to death?

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Originally posted by occrider I'm surprised more people aren't jumping on this silliness.

I was just about to...

Nellie... your posts are making you look more pathetic every time. I cant beleive how adament you are at spewing out all this nonsense.

THERE IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO HEAVEN WITH GREAT GREEN FIELDS AND CANDY WITH PEOPLE AND KIDS PLAYING WITH LIONS!!!!!!!!

There is no evidence this exists... only faith created it. Stop speaking as if its the truth.

Unfortunately, none of us will know if it exists or not after we die because the neurons in our brains stop working!!!!!!!

WE ROT... eaten by bacteria...that is your "heaven"

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Originally posted by occrider I'm surprised more people aren't jumping on this silliness. Nessa, is it moral and/or just for a God to exclude those who have been good their entire lives yet merely fail to accept Jesus Christ while admitting a prolific sinner to heaven simply because he confesses his sins prior to death?

Again,God sent Jesus to die on the cross for us, so that none of us would have to go to hell. So, if people don't choose to accept him, that's their own fault. Not his. He won't interfere with freewill. You have to remeber that.

I've heard of many people making it right just before they pass on.Like my grandmother just did last month. That does happen a lot,because you are staring death right in the face.

But, it isn't silliness.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I was just about to... Nellie... your posts are making you look more pathetic every time. I cant beleive how adament you are at spewing out all this nonsense. THERE IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO HEAVEN WITH GREAT GREEN FIELDS AND CANDY WITH PEOPLE AND KIDS PLAYING WITH LIONS!!!!!!!! There is no evidence this exists... only faith created it. Stop speaking as if its the truth. Unfortunately, none of us will know if it exists or not after we die because the neurons in our brains stop working!!!!!!! WE ROT... eaten by bacteria...that is your "heaven"

No, you're trampling all over my right to believe in it. You can believe what you want, go ahead it's not my problem. But, I can believe in what I want..and say it's real,just as you say it's fake.
Talk about intolerant.

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Originally posted by arctic I don't see a difference myself, but read into it what you will. Actually, I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or if you're being serious here. Stop confusing me.

It's simple. Read my words carefully.
Those who do not believe in God, or believe there is a God, they are not Christians. Christians are those who praise and worship God,and are those who have accepted Jeuss into their hearts.

How can you be a Christian ( Which means CHRIST like ) If you don't even believe God,or Jesus Christ existed?

I don't know how you don't understand this. It's very simple.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Again,God sent Jesus to die on the cross for us, so that none of us would have to go to hell. So, if people don't choose to accept him, that's their own fault. Not his. He won't interfere with freewill. You have to remeber that. I've heard of many people making it right just before they pass on.Like my grandmother just did last month. That does happen a lot,because you are staring death right in the face. But, it isn't silliness.

I don't think this answered his question, so let me rephrase it as an example:

Why does God allow rapists and serial murderers to enter into Heaven if they willfully (and truly) feel repentance, but yet will not allow a dutiful Buddhist who's done nothing but contribute his life to the well-being of mankind?

IOW, if this is true, why would we all need to live a civil life when all we need to do is willfully and truly give our lives to Jesus at the very last moment of death, but prior to that we can rape, pillage, murder, and chop up anyone we see fit (kinda like some folks in the Old Testament, Judges 19:22-30?)

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Nessa answer me this:

Two missionaries are out in Africa, the first missionary only helps those who belief in his faith ... even if they are wicked at the expense of those who are innocent and deserving of help such as children. The second missionary helps those who are deserving of help the most - the sickest, those in abject poverty, those who are simply trying to lead good lives. He is concerned with their health and helps them without question and then, only after they have benefited from his aid, teaches them about the Lord.

Who is the better samaritan?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I don't think this answered his question, so let me rephrase it as an example: Why does God allow rapists and serial murderers to enter into Heaven if they willfully (and truly) feel repentance, but yet will not allow a dutiful Buddhist who's done nothing but contribute his life to the well-being of mankind? IOW, if this is true, why would we all need to live a civil life when all we need to do is willfully and truly give our lives to Jesus at the very last moment of death, but prior to that we can rape, pillage, murder, and chop up anyone we see fit (kinda like some folks in the Old Testament, Judges 19:22-30?)

I did answer his question.Maybe he just didn't like my answer.
God allows all those who have asked Jesus Christ into their heart,and repented of their sins.

Good deeds,Don't get you into heaven. do you understand that?

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Originally posted by occrider Nessa answer me this: Two missionaries are out in Africa, the first missionary only helps those who belief in his faith ... even if they are wicked at the expense of those who are innocent and deserving of help such as children. The second missionary helps those who are deserving of help the most - the sickest, those in abject poverty, those who are simply trying to lead good lives. He is concerned with their health and helps them without question and then, only after they have benefited from his aid, teaches them about the Lord. Who is the better samaritan?

Read the above, Then you'll have your answer.

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