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Subtle
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quote:
Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
That's why I said: ALL music sold more, not just trance. So in my opinion music isn't selling less because it's not as good as then. All music styles suffer. But if what you say is true, ALL music would be less good as it was back then, because all music styles sell less.

But as for trance, i think record companies already do filter out the bad stuff, because it's very hard to release something and reach a break evenpoint.

I'am not going to argue with you whether you think the music is as good as back then or not. Freedom of taste and speech rules!
the problem is.. the MOST selling music, is still selling.. such as 50 cent, eminem, and britney spears.. they may have sold less.. but their are still suffering.. (a bit) but trance is suffering the most.. but not ONLY cause of p2p.. but also.. cause the quality of the music is decreasing..


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Benno de Goeij
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quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
the problem is.. the MOST selling music, is still selling.. such as 50 cent, eminem, and britney spears.. they may have sold less.. but their are still suffering.. (a bit)

That was my point..

quote:

but trance is suffering the most.. but not ONLY cause of p2p.. but also.. cause the quality of the music is decreasing..

Sure, absolutly true.. Not so good music doesn't sell..

But when cd copying started to become into fashion, cd ompilations sold half of what they used to... can't imagine the reason for that was because suddenly all records weren't so good as the year before.


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honestly the best defense for free mp3s and p2p software (especially with trance music) is for the 'try before you buy' ill download a track and if i like it im going to go out of my way to buy a copy of it on 12"... heck, i searched for a long time to find a copy of one of your tracks benno... the Jens Mahlstedt - Psycho Strings remix you made wouldnt be in my record box right now if it weren't for free mp3s

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Subtle
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quote:
Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
But when cd copying started to become into fashion, cd ompilations sold half of what they used to... can't imagine the reason for that was because suddenly all records weren't so good as the year before.
if people can get things for free, and they know they`re gonna get away with it.. most people will do that.. the music industry will never be like it was i think..

a solution could be for the companies and record stores to find a way to push the prices down to say half the cost of what a CD costs now, maybe it will work..


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DreamTitan
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quote:
Originally posted by Ishkur
cutnpasted from a similar argument on DI:

The argument that downloading music hurts sales is a misnomer because record companies equate every download to mean a guaranteed sale. Just because people download music does not mean that they are willing to pay for that music if the means to download it did not exist. In many cases--most, I'd say--songs are downloaded on a whim, simply for the ease of which it is to obtain them, listened to maybe once or twice, then discarded. If people could not do that, then they would likely just have to suffer not being able to listen to the song at all. Removing the avenues of downloading does not immediately translate to them grabbing their coat and heading out to the store to get the cd.

At any rate: Downloading is not killing music. It is killing the music INDUSTRY, the bloated, slow moving sloth that it is, and that can only be construed as a good thing.

It is time for us to recognize the fact that the age of spending a quiet afternoon writing a song and banking on its success for the rest of your life is over. Album-oriented marketing is coming to an end, and music as a tangible product is quietly being snuffed out. For now on, if you are a musician, the way to make your money in music is to do what you do best: play it. That's something that people can not download; the live performance.

The art of making money by recording and selling your work is at its sunset now. 100 years ago, before the invention of recorded media, musicians made a living by performing their music. In the future, they will return to this pastime.

(and, consequently, in all music contracts the artists are usually the last ones to get paid, and they get screwed 3 ways from Sunday, having to take out of their royalties to finance promotional campaigns and music videos. Many platinum selling artists in the past--Toni Braxton, TLC, MC Hammer come to mind--actually became poorer after their label was through with them, their entire careers crushed by insurmountable debt that they owed their own record companies. There's a lot of money to be made in the corporate music industry; unfortunately, the artists rarely see much of it. Touring is the only way many of them actually make money)

Part of the problem with this is the fact that the industry has too many hands in the cookie jar as it is. It is now a dead and dying carcass clinging onto tangible media, when digital media is the future. So it's not the artists that people are fed up about, really. It's the INDUSTRY that cultivates these artists. Or, rather, chews them up and spits them out. I'd pay $12 for a CD if I knew for certain that at least $11 of it was going to the three forces that created it: the producer, the performer, and the songwriter (one person or group is sometimes all three, but not always). But as it is, that money does not go to the deserved parties. Instead it goes to label designers, marketers, business execs, plastic manufacturers, photographers, advertisers, distributors, agents, lawyers, managers, whole-salers and retailers, and all the micro-industries that depend on the mass production of music from conception to completion of a tangible disc in your hands.

Musicians are the only ones who do not fear file-sharing, because they can always play music to make a living. That is a tangible talent that people respect and will pay money for. Record execs, label owners, marketers and advertisers, designers, and all the people who depend on the "CD market" trade are the ones who despise file-sharing the most, because it is cutting into their business, the business of music commodification and sales. You remove that, and they really don't have any means to make a living in the industry anymore.

It is for this reason that the only people who complain about music piracy are the well-established artists, pressured by their labels and their labels' lawyers to do so. Underground and independent artists never think that way, and 90% of the time are absolutely livid about the spread of their music on the internet. They see the online revolution as a levelling of the playing field. For 50 years the music industry controlled the media bottleneck to what you were allowed to hear, and furthermore, what you were allowed to like. By controlling radio and tv, they were in full control of whatever their customers were exposed to. Not anymore with the internet. It is breaking down barriers and fragmenting demographic markets so rapidly it's no wonder music execs are having a heart attack over this. They're losing control. They're losing power.

And that's really what it's all about.


The infamous Ishkur, glad to finally see you around after all i've heard from Chris.

Now, although you didn't write up this post i'm sure you agree with the points. I also agree with them aswell, finely put post.

I feel that everything has a fine balance, and will always continue to do so. We all know that a record label needs artists and artists need record labels. Because of the digital revolution this is going to force the industry to evolve and adapt to the situation (like itunes). The only problem is that the record companies are trying to change the environment instead of changing themselves. Record labels need to cut down operational costs and at the same time give more money to the artists. It probably will not happen from the current big labels, they would never have it, but it's a likly possibility that a start-up label using the digital technology to their advantage will be able to find that balance I was talking about earlier.

The problem is that these large bloated inefficent record labels are seeing the end of their day and are resisting change by forcing it on us. So what do you do? support the little guys, buy records from the smaller labels and let the bigger ones go to hell.


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Ish probably did write that. He tends to reuse his posts all over the place.


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Good thread.. worthy of a bump


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ok

Ishkur's post wins anyway...and I do enjoy paying for 95% of my music.


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Right after I complete my degree in EE.....and get a Job by the Grace of God.....


I swear im gonna send money to Tijs armin sasha okenfold baunder howell mike foyle astura compass djmixes2k junkie kaan duz.. Ferry and maybe Pvd for dloading their music illegaly.


oh via pay pal or check.


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Re: Reasons not to pay for music

quote:
Originally posted by Benno de Goeij
I am very curious to get you're opinions on this one:

Yesterday I had a discussion with somebody who thought he was allowed to use peer 2 peer networks to get copyrighted music for free.

He doesn't consider it to be stealing from an artist because he doesn't take something from him, the artist still has got some original on tape. Even if an artist doesn't want his music to be copied, he still thinks it's okay to get it. The word copyright itself doesn't have any meaning to him because he feels getting a copy is not worth paying for and should be free, because it's not the original.

Off course i know and can partly imagine other reasons for someone not to pay like:
- the real thing is too expensive
- not available locally <-----------------
- try before you buy
- the music someone likes is not worth paying for
- nobody will feel the difference if i will get that song for free
- not willing to support all the jobs and money hunters in the industry
- dj's and producers make too much money in the first place

In a way I was a bit shocked, because he truely believes he isn't doing something wrong.

What do you guys think?


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