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Originally posted by paulandrews People are stupid because of their music taste? Oh well...

No, people like crap music because they are stupid.

Case in point: your reading comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ishkur No, people like crap music because they are stupid. Case in point: your reading comprehension.

According to your words it works on the other way round as well. If someone likes a track which is crap in your eyes, then he or she must be stupid.

You just have to realize that f.e. many people haven´t heard about the original mix (or Fade mix) of Silence and they only know the Tiesto´s and that it´s NOT their fault. They can´t be called stupid just because they haven´t experienced what you have. Maybe they are lazy, they have different taste than you have but that doesn´t make them stupid.

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Originally posted by paulandrews According to your words it works on the other way round as well. If someone likes a track which is crap in your eyes, then he or she must be stupid. You just have to realize that f.e. many people haven´t heard about the original mix (or Fade mix) of Silence and they only know the Tiesto´s and that it´s NOT their fault. They can´t be called stupid just because they haven´t experienced what you have. Maybe they are lazy, they have different taste than you have but that doesn´t make them stupid.

that would be ignorance.

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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo! Again, this is about everyones experience. The more we listen to the music, the more we get the feeling that the music which is deeper, original, extraordinary, surprising, must be better than the simple one. And if this feeling is based only on the experience of everyone then it can?t be applied for all. Imagine, there is music which is much more deeper & original than the deepest & most original production we all know right now. If we had to match these two, the "old" music would be cheesy compared to the "new". The border would move and what was considered as "good" would be considered as "bad" but that?s insane - the same piece of music can?t be "good" or "bad" just because of the limits that we have set. Simply, you can?t blame someone else for having "bad taste", cause there?s no good and bad taste which would be valid for everyone. It?s individual, subjective, it?s art.

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Originally posted by RapidFire that would be ignorance.

No. You can´t ignore something you´ve never heard of.

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Originally posted by paulandrews No. You can´t ignore something you´ve never heard of.

well if it says REMIX on the track then surely theres an original. how hard is it to track it down, give it a listen and compare?

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Originally posted by Ishkur Tiesto didn't even do any musical programming or soft-synth tinkering with his Silence remix. He used the exact same presets and patches that Ferry perfected and dragged and dropped them into a cookie-cutter mold that was already damaged from overuse by every other Dutch producer by the time the track was released

i can deal with your opinions on the music but this is pure baloney, there isn't a single ferry-related preset in that tune.

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When the original, made 4 years ealier, was far more evocative. Now people think Silence is a Tiesto song, issuing forth directly from his genius. Like Adagio for Strings, the man has a knack for taking already hits, making superfluous alterations to them, calls them remixes but not really, and through an aggressive marketing campaign akin to blugeoning you over the head, slowly muscles his way as being the sole owner of the track.

i'm not sure you know how remixes work. your arguments hold true for adagio, but tiesto never once took credit for silence, and was never the brainchild behind it's re-release. nettwerk chose him & airscape for the re-issue, and sent out the song's source elements (acapella). both translated it into their own respective styles & sent the final products back to nettwerk... who then took care of all the promotion.

"theres a reason it was the more popular of the two..." also holds true when comparing the tiesto & airscape remixes; i suppose you're going to claim tiesto's is the more anthemic & sacharine of these two? ;/

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Originally posted by RapidFire well if it says REMIX on the track then surely theres an original. how hard is it to track it down, give it a listen and compare?

you´d be surprised... many people maybe even don´t know it´s a remix.

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Originally posted by paulandrews you´d be surprised... many people maybe even don´t know it´s a remix.

and we're right back where we started: ignorance.

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Originally posted by RapidFire and we're right back where we started: ignorance.

But they can't be ignorant if they don't know!! WTF Keep it going!!!

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Originally posted by RapidFire and we're right back where we started: ignorance.

naaaaah, how can you ignore something you don´t know? imagine there are people who have heard Silence (Tiesto remix) only on some party or in a club and... they liked it! Maybe they even don´t know how´s the track called. They just don´t care, they like it and that´s enough for them (this is even much more "healthy" view of music than all these chairravers on the forums seeking desperately what track is being played just now). Are they ingorant? Of course not.

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