Finally, someone who is honest enough to admit that she thinks a man has neither a right to bodily autonomy nor to his finances once he gets somebody pregnant.

So much for "equality," though.

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Originally posted by Theresa You can't put an acorn in the middle of a street, and then go off about your business... come back and find a tree and decide that you didn't want/mean for that tree to grow in the middle of the street and that you shouldn't be held responsible for it being there. You put it there, therefore you should be held responsible for those actions.

Sure, such as demolishing it to make way for cars. But wait, men have no say in demolition (abortion) -- and they should not -- so we should give them a say in --

Nothing at all! That is how this works, right? Why, that makes perfect sense!

We should allow a woman to avoid the consequences of a choice that could possibly make her a parent, but never should a man be allowed to do the same thing. That is evil! Evil, I say!

Gah, even the thread title bugs me.

You having sex = FREE CHOICE to take the chance of getting a woman pregnant, whom you know then has control over your seed.

I am a bartender. I give people alcohol. I make the FREE choice to continue giving people alcohol. They get drunk and hurt themselves. I am half responsible for them getting hurt because I made the choice to give something of mine to them that resulted in the consequence.

BY LAW, and in all fairness, I cannot deny my responsibility to the person I gave the alcohol to just because the result turned out to be something I didn't want/intend.

If I didn't want to be held responsible for what he did, I shouldn't have given him the alcohol in the first place.

You give a teen a gun. The teen shoots and kills someone. You are held partially responsible for giving the teen something of yours that they did something with that you didn't necessarily want them to do.

You made the free choice to give your "possesions" to someone else. By doing so, you also lost the ability to control what they would do with your posessions. That was your FREE CHOICE. If they use your possesion for something you don't like, that is too bad, you still have to deal with the result of it.

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You made the free choice to give your "possesions" to someone else. By doing so, you also lost the ability to control what they would do with your posessions. That was your FREE CHOICE. If they use your possesion for something you don't like, that is too bad, you still have to deal with the result of it.

And unlike the man, once she gets pregnant the woman cannot be forced to give up anything at all, of course. Not feeling up to giving up her body's nutrients to a baby? Abort it. Not feeling up to caring for the baby after carrying it to term? Put it up for adoption.

That's equality for ya.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Finally, someone who is honest enough to admit that she thinks a man has neither a right to bodily autonomy nor to his finances once he gets somebody pregnant. So much for "equality," though.

That is bullshit.

You have full rights over your body and everything within it. You then use your body that can give someone something of yours (not your body) that will resultingly inable you to control what happens to it.

That was your concious decision.

You are making it seem like sperm is a *part* of your body once you expel it, and that you have "rights" to what happens to it. When you give it to someone, or dispose of it, you lose your "rights" to it. It is no longer yours or part of your body.

But if by you giving it to someone, it creates a problem... you are equally responsible as the person who has it of dealing with that problem.

Say it along with me, folks!:

Once a woman is impregnated by a man, he gives up his rights to bodily autonomy and to his finances.

Once she has sex and gets impregnated, she gives up neither of those rights.

Talk around it all you want: this is what you are defending.

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Originally posted by Theresa You have full rights over your body and everything within it. ... You are making it seem like sperm is a *part* of your body once you expel it, and that you have "rights" to what happens to it. When you give it to someone, or dispose of it, you lose your "rights" to it. It is no longer yours or part of your body.

You misunderstand. If a man refuses to pay for a child he never wanted, he may be thrown in prison. That is the violation of bodily autonomy.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Once she has sex and gets impregnated, she gives up neither of those rights.

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Originally posted by Theresa You made the free choice to give your "possesions" to someone else. By doing so, you also lost the ability to control what they would do with your posessions. That was your FREE CHOICE. If they use your possesion for something you don't like, that is too bad, you still have to deal with the result of it.

No, I don't. I am not giving away my semen for the woman to do whatever she wants with. I am not consenting to a baby. All I am consenting to is a night of pleasure.

You really need to separate sex for pleasure from sex for procreation. There's no benefit in having this kind of pressure on the act of sex, wouldn't you agree? Having a standardized way of dealing with unwanted pregnancies would promote sex as a form of entertainment (which is already what it is 99.99% of the time).