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Originally posted by tiesto14 And the passengers, aling with the black boxs. I guess the secret people carriend the bodies of the passengers ina fterwards though...right?

check out this internet documentry it has all the evidence in it, so can you handle the truth......wel can you?

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to answer your first question i dont think osama was awre untill after the attacks as his first so called video confession was proven to be a fake ie not him in the video a look a like and his voice was faked

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Originally posted by seval check out this internet documentry it has all the evidence in it, so can you handle the truth......wel can you? [[ LINK REMOVED ]] to answer your first question i dont think osama was awre untill after the attacks as his first so called video confession was proven to be a fake ie not him in the video a look a like and his voice was faked

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 That would be needed to be answered by an explosives expert most likely from Controlled Demolition, Inc. since this is a tranceaddict forum rather than contolled demolition addict no one can be able to answer that question. The ed2k links can be caught using edonkey, emule or shareaza. These files are not on the forum nor the ftp. They are links similar in nature to a url tag on a forum such as this one.

A child can tell you: the question of how a building fell down can be resolved ONLY by engineers. Not physicists, theologians, or guys who just think they’re the smartest guy in the world. It has to be engineers.

Absolutely NO ENGINEERS back up the conspiratorial fantasy about 9/11. On the contrary, they have utterly debunked any theories:

Where can I find engineering studies concerning the World Trade Center that refute the claims that it was demolished by bombs or “controlled demolition?”
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_execsum.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/Structura...se_Analysis.pdf
http://www.firehouse.com/news/2002/4/30_APwtc.html

Where can I find engineering studies that offer evidence that structural steel from the World Trade Center was collected for analysis?
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/gallery.htm#recover
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/gallery2.htm
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/Structura...se_Analysis.pdf
http://members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_apndxD.htm

Where can I find evidence that refutes the claim that World Trade Center Building 7 was “pulled” down intentionally by some official order?
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...erman-0112.html

Where can I find engineering studies concerning the Pentagon that refute the claims that it was hit by a guided missile?
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/pentagon.php
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/
http://www.asce.org/responds/

[n]More information: [/n]
http://architecture.about.com/libra...tc-collapse.htm
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/wtc.php
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/structure.php
http://enr.construction.com/news/bu...ives/021104.asp
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html
http://www.asce.org/pdf/3-6-02wtc_testimony.pdf
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...Eagar-0112.html
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php#why
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/resources.html
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/

More links to real engineers refuting conspiracy theorists:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...Eagar-0112.html
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/g...nce_010919.html
http://www.teachersdomain.org/6-8/s...stems/collapse/
http://mcleon.tripod.com/WTC1.htm
http://www.hera.org.nz/PDF Files/World Trade Centre.pdf


Give it up, conspiracy wonks. The experts have spoken--& they were not hired by the bad guys.

The WTC was not brought down by the most incompetent administration ever, in a tricky job that fooled everyone except a few megalomaniacal guys. International bankers did not contrive to close down Wall Street. There is not a secret takeover going on that only you can perceive.

If you “hate the government with all your heart,” you are a sick man. That’s probably why you resort to these delusional theories.
Get help. Hang around normal people once in a while. Pray for sanity.

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humm...... i guess that shut you up, sarcastic face isnt really a relpy its more of a 'i dont know how to come back from this symbol'

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Originally posted by seval [QUOTE]Originally posted by tiesto14 [/QUOTE humm...... i guess that shut you up, sarcastic face isnt really a relpy its more of a 'i dont know how to come back from this symbol'

NO i just dont take anyone serious who tells me to get my information from those blurry, grainy and horrible videos. Show me some evidence from EXPERTS who are qualified to answer such questions and then i will acknowledge you.

Maybe you should read some of the links i just provided that are by experts.

And the Osama tape is legit...no question about that.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 A child can tell you: the question of how a building fell down can be resolved ONLY by engineers. Not physicists, theologians, or guys who just think they’re the smartest guy in the world. It has to be engineers. Absolutely NO ENGINEERS back up the conspiratorial fantasy about 9/11. On the contrary, they have utterly debunked any theories: Where can I find engineering studies concerning the World Trade Center that refute the claims that it was demolished by bombs or “controlled demolition?” http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_execsum.pdf http://wtc.nist.gov/media/Structura...se_Analysis.pdf http://www.firehouse.com/news/2002/4/30_APwtc.html Where can I find engineering studies that offer evidence that structural steel from the World Trade Center was collected for analysis? http://wtc.nist.gov/media/gallery.htm#recover http://wtc.nist.gov/media/gallery2.htm http://wtc.nist.gov/media/Structura...se_Analysis.pdf http://members.fortunecity.com/911/wtc/WTC_apndxD.htm Where can I find evidence that refutes the claim that World Trade Center Building 7 was “pulled” down intentionally by some official order? http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...erman-0112.html Where can I find engineering studies concerning the Pentagon that refute the claims that it was hit by a guided missile? http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/pentagon.php http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/ http://www.asce.org/responds/ [n]More information: [/n] http://architecture.about.com/libra...tc-collapse.htm http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/wtc.php http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/structure.php http://enr.construction.com/news/bu...ives/021104.asp http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/ http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html http://www.asce.org/pdf/3-6-02wtc_testimony.pdf http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...Eagar-0112.html http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php#why http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/resources.html http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/ More links to real engineers refuting conspiracy theorists: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JO...Eagar-0112.html http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php http://space.com/scienceastronomy/g...nce_010919.html http://www.teachersdomain.org/6-8/s...stems/collapse/ http://mcleon.tripod.com/WTC1.htm http://www.hera.org.nz/PDF Files/World Trade Centre.pdf Give it up, conspiracy wonks. The experts have spoken--& they were not hired by the bad guys. The WTC was not brought down by the most incompetent administration ever, in a tricky job that fooled everyone except a few megalomaniacal guys. International bankers did not contrive to close down Wall Street. There is not a secret takeover going on that only you can perceive. If you “hate the government with all your heart,” you are a sick man. That’s probably why you resort to these delusional theories. Get help. Hang around normal people once in a while. Pray for sanity.

note how most of these site are government sites hardly an open minded field to express the truth, speak out against the government and loose their job, id dismiss these sites as evidence, joke

tiesto14 i think youve been smoking on the goerge bush bullshit pipe for too long, as an americian you are far more likely to believe your government wouldnt do such a terrible thing, though their is only so many contradictions you can accept before it all falls down

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Originally posted by seval note how most of these site are government sites hardly an open minded field to express the truth, speak out against the government and loose their job, id dismiss these sites as evidence, joke

LOL...ok pal watch out for the men in black. No amount evidence will sway your opinion...you are convinced the world is run by spys. My links are from governemnt studies, univercities and well known engineering camps that are all credibal...like it or not you are delusional.

One notable self-contradiction of you conspiracy folk is your use of media news. You uniformly maintain the media is controlled & you can’t believe it. The CNN is run by the Pentagon. The Washington Post has gone totally neocon. The secret conspirators are writing the news, so you can’t trust it.

Then you guys do little else than cite stories from mainstream media sources. This is just staggeringly dumb, it seems to me. You will tell you how bogus the news is, then not only cite mainstream news sources, but cite them as further authority. Verily, you guys must have cream-of-wheat for brains.

Conspiracy people act out fundamental self-contradictions all the time, as when you declare the news to be bogus, then do nothing but cite news reports. Or say there is no distinction between liberal & conservative, then talk endlessly about liberals & conservatives. Or say the government is evil, then lobby their congresspeople. Or pledge themselves to free speech, then use a bullhorn to suppress everyone else’s free speech. Or declare yourselves populists while condemning 99% of the population. Or come out for freedom while opposing the right to abortion. Or accuse the government of fearmongering while devoting your waking hours to their own incredible fearmongering. Or say we’re under martial law & then complain about their rights. That sort of thing.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL...ok pal watch out for the men in black. No amount evidence will sway your opinion...you are convinced the world is run by spys. My links are from governemnt studies, univercities and well known engineering camps that are all credibal...like it or not you are delusional. One notable self-contradiction of you conspiracy folk is your use of media news. You uniformly maintain the media is controlled & you can’t believe it. The CNN is run by the Pentagon. The Washington Post has gone totally neocon. The secret conspirators are writing the news, so you can’t trust it. Then you guys do little else than cite stories from mainstream media sources. This is just staggeringly dumb, it seems to me. You will tell you how bogus the news is, then not only cite mainstream news sources, but cite them as further authority. Verily, you guys must have cream-of-wheat for brains. Conspiracy people act out fundamental self-contradictions all the time, as when you declare the news to be bogus, then do nothing but cite news reports. Or say there is no distinction between liberal & conservative, then talk endlessly about liberals & conservatives. Or say the government is evil, then lobby their congresspeople. Or pledge themselves to free speech, then use a bullhorn to suppress everyone else’s free speech. Or declare yourselves populists while condemning 99% of the population. Or come out for freedom while opposing the right to abortion. Or accuse the government of fearmongering while devoting your waking hours to their own incredible fearmongering. Or say we’re under martial law & then complain about their rights. That sort of thing.

one advantage to being IRISH and living in IRELAND is that you dont get cnn and the rest of the american news channels, over her we get RTE news and bbc news, completly neutral and in the opinion that events leading up to and after the attacks and the skill behind them leads to the conclusion that the only possible organisation capable of getting past americian air defence are the americian gevernment , but this is a pointless argument you are blinded by stupid americian idology that god is on your side and your government is totally not to blame for the attacks, lets say these attacks were the work of osama bin laden he claims that the americian troops insult, beat and ridicule the faith of islam so even on that level the government is still to blame for trying to force their opinions down the rest of the worlds mouths, look at iraq more civilians have been killed in the last couple of years by the brittish and americian troops than saddam did in his entire reiqn.

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Originally posted by seval bbc news, completly neutral

HA...BBC HATES Bush.

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Originally posted by seval and in the opinion that events leading up to and after the attacks and the skill behind them leads to the conclusion that the only possible organisation capable of getting past americian air defence are the americian gevernment ,

HUH?

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Originally posted by seval but this is a pointless argument you are blinded by stupid americian idology that god is on your side and your government is totally not to blame for the attacks,

God is not on my side because i do not beleive in him. You calling me blinded is typical theorists jargon when you have nothing else to refute my claims.

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Originally posted by seval lets say these attacks were the work of osama bin laden he claims that the americian troops insult, beat and ridicule the faith of islam so even on that level the government is still to blame for trying to force their opinions down the rest of the worlds mouths,

Um dont get your point...but Osama is to blame...that i widly accepted across the globe, well except for theorists like yourself...you guys are no better then the people who claim aliens were involved.

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Originally posted by seval look at iraq more civilians have been killed in the last couple of years by the brittish and americian troops than saddam did in his entire reiqn.

Simply not true.


And i will challenege you....since American news is not to be trusted and they are giving fake Osama confessions...how about you find me one Al Jazeera news source that refutes Osama's confession...you do that and i will surrendur to your theory and call you the victor...surely Al Jazeera wouldnt lie...they hate America as much as the BBC.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

we all know osama was trained by the CIA i my personal believe is that osama is a smoke screen for goerge bush's quest for oil, if the government wanted osama they would of got him, if you remember how quickley they found saddam it took them just over a month to find him, though i have no evidence to prove this opinion my common sense tells me that this is highly likely.
but at the end of the day its what you personaly believe and trying to force somebody to believe what you/I believe is wrong, i just think that if you were to look at the situation from outside the box what happened is quite plausable and people like goerge bush are very motivated by money and would sell their soul to have as much money as possible, and there is no doubt that oil is money just look at the profits brittish oil company BP made last year alone £13 billion