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Originally posted by DjTiberius i just got my set of pio cdj-100s with and efx 500 and a djm 300s mixer and i love all of it. I will eventually buy vinyl technichs when i get the cash but for right now i dont see anything wrong with spinnin on cds. if i can get the crowd moving as much as a dj on vinyl then it doenst matter.

Hear hear! It's all about the crowd and how they like the tunes. Not about your egos as an elitist "vinyl only" dj. Most of the big names now use CD's at least to some extent thanks to the great innovations from pioneer, and even technics is coming out with cd decks.

For someone like me who doesn't even have a great record store in town, and doesn't want to spend thousands buying vinyl over the internet, CD's and even mp3's with traktor is an absolutely huge step. It requires just as much talent and knowhow and musical sense to spin a great set in traktor or on CD's as it does on vinyl and honestly it's just as fun.

I do however agree on the whole automation topic. DJ'ing is supposed to be a "crowd interactive" sort of art. Not some mechanical do it the same every time "thing". DJ mixing software like traktor is a great tool because although it may have some attempts at "automation" they 1. don't work very well with variable beats and 2. don't have to be used. So basically you've got decks without all the hassle and a huge huge track collection to go with it.

Vinyl still has it's place, but the future of DJ'ing lies in having new technologies to make DJ'ing more convenient, not necessarily easier.

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Originally posted by Thracky Most of the big names now use CD's at least to some extent thanks to the great innovations from pioneer, and even technics is coming out with cd decks. For someone like me who doesn't even have a great record store in town, and doesn't want to spend thousands buying vinyl over the internet, CD's and even mp3's with traktor is an absolutely huge step. It requires just as much talent and knowhow and musical sense to spin a great set in traktor or on CD's as it does on vinyl and honestly it's just as fun.

shame on you guys... why do you all want to be just like the ''big names'' I mean... who will ever really give a **** about what the others do? just be yourself, create your own style, and stop comparing yourself with others!
And.. a DJ who doesn't have enough money for vinyl? That's a lame-ass excuse, son. If you really want to be a DJ, spend money!

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amen man... djing is the art of spending money... i work 40 hours and i blow it all on records. its part of the deal.

also... records are part of the persona, when you goto see a dj... please tell me you can be entertained watching him spin cd's.... there is no integrity...

DJ'ing has nothing to do with spending money. That's just your bullshit elitist "Vinyl or die" views. DJ'ing is about the music, period. End of discussion. That's all folks. There is NO other reason for DJ'ing.

If I want to DJ and I happen to have a bit of talent with it, yet I have absolutely no financially feasible way possible to purchase a full vinyl setup AND back that up with fresh vinyl every week, I would say that DJ'ing with mp3's or cd's is every bit as acceptable as dj'ing with vinyl. It's the same damn music, so cut the "I'm better than you because I can afford vinyl" bs and get over your damn egos.

And as far as "following the big names" considering we only have really 3 choices for how to dj, vinyl, cd's or mp3's, someone's gonna wind up doing the same thing. So I could say you guys are following all the big names by spinning vinyl etc etc. =P

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Originally posted by Thracky DJ'ing has nothing to do with spending money. That's just your bullshit elitist "Vinyl or die" views. DJ'ing is about the music, period. End of discussion. That's all folks. There is NO other reason for DJ'ing. If I want to DJ and I happen to have a bit of talent with it, yet I have absolutely no financially feasible way possible to purchase a full vinyl setup AND back that up with fresh vinyl every week, I would say that DJ'ing with mp3's or cd's is every bit as acceptable as dj'ing with vinyl. It's the same damn music, so cut the "I'm better than you because I can afford vinyl" bs and get over your damn egos. And as far as "following the big names" considering we only have really 3 choices for how to dj, vinyl, cd's or mp3's, someone's gonna wind up doing the same thing. So I could say you guys are following all the big names by spinning vinyl etc etc. =P

Well my friend, if you dj for free, there is nothing wrong with playing with mp3's. But if you begin getting payed, that's just plain wrong.
If you really like dj'ing, there is nothing more satisfying than playing with vinyl from a pure joy point of view.
And for the money issue, if you don't have rich parents, then work for it.

Djing is a passion. If you are passionate enough, you will work for it 3-4 hours a day (a part time job).

Don't get me wrong, i've played around with Traktor, and at some extent, it's more powerful than a set of turntables and a mixer. But don't elude yourself, it's not 1/10th of the fun you have spinning vinyl.

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Originally posted by Thracky DJ'ing has nothing to do with spending money. That's just your bullshit elitist "Vinyl or die" views. DJ'ing is about the music, period. End of discussion. That's all folks. There is NO other reason for DJ'ing. If I want to DJ and I happen to have a bit of talent with it, yet I have absolutely no financially feasible way possible to purchase a full vinyl setup AND back that up with fresh vinyl every week, I would say that DJ'ing with mp3's or cd's is every bit as acceptable as dj'ing with vinyl. It's the same damn music, so cut the "I'm better than you because I can afford vinyl" bs and get over your damn egos. And as far as "following the big names" considering we only have really 3 choices for how to dj, vinyl, cd's or mp3's, someone's gonna wind up doing the same thing. So I could say you guys are following all the big names by spinning vinyl etc etc. =P

DJing is about other things too, fun, maybe even a passion, or just to feel the excitement of the crowd.. ahh...

Man, you're so short-sighted!! Styles have nothing to do with the kind of records you're spinning with , but your style of music, your mixing-skills etc. Example: I use many ''moments of Silence'', and play Trance together with Hardstyle Beats, and other harder styles.

Who said I am a Vinyl or die? I sometimes use CD's too, on the occasion, or to play with the possibilities. I am better because I can afford vinyl..Yeah, right, like I said that, all I said was, that DJing costs money, and if you really want to be a DJ, you are willing to pay that money! Who's the one with ego's now, eh? So put that damn tongue back in your mouth!

Zero Tolerance

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Originally posted by Zero_Tolerance DJing is about other things too, fun, maybe even a passion, or just to feel the excitement of the crowd.. ahh...

Then why is it so damn important to use vinyl? Let's not forget to mention that without the music there would be no DJ'ing. As far as I'm concerned the fact that it involves music is what makes me have fun with it and makes me passionate about it. If you don't like music, you won't be a dj or even think about being one.

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Man, you're so short-sighted!! Styles have nothing to do with the kind of records you're spinning with , but your style of music, your mixing-skills etc. Example: I use many ''moments of Silence'', and play Trance together with Hardstyle Beats, and other harder styles.

Then why the hell did you bring up the "stop trying to be like everyone else" and "create your own style" in a discussion based PURELY on the medium in which the music is played? Next time, don't bring that weak shit and contradict yourself.

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Who said I am a Vinyl or die? I sometimes use CD's too, on the occasion, or to play with the possibilities. I am better because I can afford vinyl..Yeah, right, like I said that, all I said was, that DJing costs money, and if you really want to be a DJ, you are willing to pay that money! Who's the one with ego's now, eh? So put that damn tongue back in your mouth!

You seem to be of the attitude in your earlier posts that to be a DJ you have to spend lots and lots of money and you have to buy vinyl.

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And.. a DJ who doesn't have enough money for vinyl? That's a lame-ass excuse, son. If you really want to be a DJ, spend money!

What rule says I have to use equipment that costs me more money to be a DJ? Well apparently the same rule that says I have to spin vinyl so I can be cool like all the other DJ's. I also don't think when it comes down to it, that most people would realistically give up their food and home and car just to DJ.

And this has nothing to do with my ego whatsoever, so there was absolutely no point in bringing that up either. If I was an egocentric person I'd probably be saying something along the lines of "stop copying everyone else, be original with your style, and oh I can afford vinyl so my style owns yours" :P

(awaits the forthcoming flame)

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Originally posted by Nou well as long as you dont get payed for playing mp3's or cd's u have burned from downloading, then its fine in my book. If you do get payed for stuff you got for free, thats pretty wrong. Like stealing books and movies from the library and selling them to people. It costs money to DJ, its a fact... when producers stop asking to be paid for the tracks they produce, then it will all be free. Anyways... I dont mean this to come off as a flame.

Heh I totally understand that aspect of it. If you are getting paid obviously you can save up some coin and buy vinyl. But starting out as a DJ with vinyl is extremely tough on a low budget especially considering the first few gigs you do will probably be for free. I would say if it's impossible for someone to become a DJ who spins vinyl right off the bat, it's entirely acceptable to spin MP3's or CD's until the financial situation improves. But if you can afford it, support the artists, cause without em we got no music.

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Originally posted by Thracky Heh I totally understand that aspect of it. If you are getting paid obviously you can save up some coin and buy vinyl. But starting out as a DJ with vinyl is extremely tough on a low budget especially considering the first few gigs you do will probably be for free. I would say if it's impossible for someone to become a DJ who spins vinyl right off the bat, it's entirely acceptable to spin MP3's or CD's until the financial situation improves. But if you can afford it, support the artists, cause without em we got no music.

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Originally posted by Thracky What rule says I have to use equipment that costs me more money to be a DJ? Well apparently the same rule that says I have to spin vinyl so I can be cool like all the other DJ's. I also don't think when it comes down to it, that most people would realistically give up their food and home and car just to DJ. And this has nothing to do with my ego whatsoever, so there was absolutely no point in bringing that up either. If I was an egocentric person I'd probably be saying something along the lines of "stop copying everyone else, be original with your style, and oh I can afford vinyl so my style owns yours" :P

Believe me, the best way to become good in DJing is to start using vinyl, that's why it's so ''damn important''. I see that you're financial sitution does not allow that, but... How d'ya think I started? With 2 damn cheap turntables, a mixer that originally belonged to my brother, and only a small collection of vinyl. And well, after a long a time I started to replace them. What I mean is, a turntable isn't that expensive.
There must be a market somewhere near your place, or else you can buy one on the internet. Records aren't that expensive either. And... I don't get paid. All I DJ for is for fun.

If some people didn't follow everybody else our beloved styles wouldn't be born.

Vinyl isn't about being cool, vinyl is what DJing started with, and vinyl is what DJing will end with! Don't you see... Music starts with the roots, and end with em, classic started with the piano, and ended with the piano being screwed by other instruments. There is an era of DJing, and when people start to all use CDs and MP3s, DJing will turn into <---fill your name in here---> Well, if I'm right, DJing will not end 'till I die, because Vinyl will always have the biggest place in my heart. I understand you use MP3s, now it's time for you to understand that I use vinyl.

Hmmm... I can be cool like all the other DJ's... are you saying that you're just DJing because you are trying to be cool? That would really suck.

Well, that was your flame for today

Zero Tolerance

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provided the technology of cd's and cd tables are equivalent to vinyl, then its really all the same.
but... i like to talk about things in relations to analogies... so here i go;

vinyl vs cd's is kinda like warfare, in that the old style (vinyl) is like sword fighting, a bit romanticized and more revered for the 'artistic' nature. and cd's and cd tables are like common day laser guided missiles. you get more bang for your buck and have a wider variety of songs to play with.

so thats my analogy, today, and many many years later there will be people who are into fencing (fighting with swords) so vinyl wont go out either i dont think. but who gives a fuck what you use? does it matter if you use a vestax pdx2000 or technicmk5? no, not really, provided the features you are USING are equivalent. so who cares?

but for the record, im a vinly dj 100%

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Mp3s, ok, Cds, OK, Vinyl, AWESOME...

But...

IT IS NEVER OK TO SPIN MUSIC U HAVENT BOUGHT LIVE. especially to a paying audience.

Keep dance music coming, dont let it die because kazaa is free and convinient. Keep ur local record store open, even if u do only by cds.

But dont steal, its one thing to download a pop stars song who has mad cash, but the dance market is not even close to be able to handle an mp3 takeover.

and if u still wanna dl dance, dont spin it live, unless uve bought it, come on, a lot of you produce and can definetly undersatnd what im getting at.

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