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Originally posted by Krypton Not just box cutters. They told passengers they had a bombs on board. The towers could have been blown up, with or without a plane flying into them. Can we have a legitimate source to explain this fairy tale to us? Also, why would 19 men hijack airplanes, knowing they were going to die, for who? The American government? Why would they willingly die for this plot?

there were no hijackers man! they were radio-controlled drone planes. remember- cretinrot is a "no-planer" at the pentagon. there is nothing this boy will not swallow.

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im older and more educated than you, so who are you calling child?

Coming from an "old" man who posts their video game score on the internet I really could not give a flying fuk. It's no wonder you do not get it, you're still playing Super Mario Brothers!!!

And you mock people with tinfoil hat pictures? I think you need a good grasp at reality.

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Originally posted by culorut I think you need a good grasp at reality.

hilarious coming from the no-planer!

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hilarious coming from the no-planer!

Well then show us some proof that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon then. Apparently no one has ever provided it.

You forgot to read another post game boy.

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Originally posted by culorut Nothing accomplished? NTSB: No Records Pertaining To Process Of Positive Identification Of 9/11 Aircraft Wreckage Within a July 18, 2008 Freedom of Information Act response from the National Transportation Safety Board, the NTSB indicates that it possesses no records indicating how wreckage recovered from the 4 aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 was positively identified as belonging to the 4 planes reportedly hijacked that day or even if such wreckage was positively identified at all. Within a similar March 18, 2008 FOIA response from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the FBI states the following: "The identity of the three hijacked aircraft has never been in question by the FBI, NTSB or FAA" http://www.infowars.com/?p=886&cp=1 However, NTSB factual reports pertaining to the Flight Data Recorders allegedly belonging to American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA), do not cite a "Flight Data Recorder Group", that would normally consist of Federal Aviation Administration and airline officials, in possession of records pertaining to a given aircraft and unique serial numbers pertaining to each FDR. The absence of published FDR part and serial numbers within each NTSB FDR report suggests that the NTSB were not provided access to such records that would allow them to confirm the identities of the FDRs studied by them. Many FDRs possess unique memory configurations that are identified by serial numbers contained within a given aircraft's records. Such serial numbers are required to facilitate FDR data readouts. Presumably, if the recovered AA 77 and UA 93 FDR's did not possess the memory configurations indicated within FAA and airline aircraft records, a mismatch could become apparent to NTSB investigators. http://www.911blogger.com/node/16089 The FDRs in question were apparently recovered by NTSB personnel. Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB: "I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, "Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts." http://www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc020227.htm Marion Blakey, Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board, referring to the NTSB: "Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, D. C., assisting with aircraft parts identification" http://www.ntsb.gov/Speeches/blakey/mcb020625.htm The text of the July 11, 2008 NTSB FOIA request: "I respectfully request copies of records revealing the process by which wreckage recovered from the aircraft used during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, was positively identified as belonging to: American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA), United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA), American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) and United Airlines flight 93 (N591UA). The afore mentioned aircraft are identified within numerous public NTSB records. Positive wreckage identification was presumably obtained through the use of unique serial number identifying information contained by the said aircraft's wreckage. Within U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Title 14, Part 45, it is indicated that all U.S. commercial civil aircraft are required to contain numerous components bearing unique serial number data "secured in such a manner that it will not likely be ... lost or destroyed in an accident"."

Another peer-reviewed paper in another scientific journal.


Kevin R. Ryan, James R. Gourley, and Steven E. Jones - Published in "The Environmentalist"


Abstract - Investigators monitoring air quality at the World Trade Center, after the September 11th attacks, found extremely high levels of volatile organic chemicals as well as unusual species that had never been seen before in structure fires. Data collected by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency indicate striking spikes in levels of benzene, styrene, and several other products of combustion. These spikes occurred on specific dates in October and November 2001, and February 2002. Additionally, data collected by researchers at the University of California Davis showed similar spikes in the levels of sulfur and silicon compounds, and certain metals, in aerosols. To better explain these data, as well as the unusual detection of 1,3-diphenylpropane, the presence of energetic nanocomposites in the pile at Ground Zero is hypothesized.


http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

Full PDF

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.pdf

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Originally posted by culorut Well then show us some proof that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon then. Apparently no one has ever provided it.

1. hundreds of witnesses saw an american airlines plane crash into the pentagon.

2. bodies of crew and passengers known to be on flight 77 were identified by DNA at the crash site

3. flight 77 has not shown up elsewhere

do the math.

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Originally posted by culorut Another peer-reviewed paper in another scientific journal.

LOL. i was waiting how long it would take before you posted this.

this actually might be peer-reviewed, which would be a first. its certainly more credible than the bentham vanity journal

but in any case, it doesnt actually say anything that supports the thesis of inside job or controlled demolition, so im not sure why we are supposed to care?

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Originally posted by culorut Another peer-reviewed paper in another scientific journal. Kevin R. Ryan, James R. Gourley, and Steven E. Jones - Published in "The Environmentalist" Abstract - Investigators monitoring air quality at the World Trade Center, after the September 11th attacks, found extremely high levels of volatile organic chemicals as well as unusual species that had never been seen before in structure fires. Data collected by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency indicate striking spikes in levels of benzene, styrene, and several other products of combustion. These spikes occurred on specific dates in October and November 2001, and February 2002. Additionally, data collected by researchers at the University of California Davis showed similar spikes in the levels of sulfur and silicon compounds, and certain metals, in aerosols. To better explain these data, as well as the unusual detection of 1,3-diphenylpropane, the presence of energetic nanocomposites in the pile at Ground Zero is hypothesized. http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/ Full PDF http://www.springerlink.com/content...n4/fulltext.pdf

LOL. just seen how much 'research' effort he put into it. ha,

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EPA’s Erik Swartz stated that 1,3-DPP was present at levels ‘‘that dwarfed all others.’’ Swartz went on to say— ‘‘We’ve never observed it in any sampling we’ve ever done’’ (Garrett 2003). http://www.newsday.com/news/health/n...age-right-area

when what does the full quote say?

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One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said. He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers.

i cant believe jones is STILL using this, when it was pointed out to him in at least 2005. what a fraud

and when is he actually going to get published in a real journal? with a real thesis that categorically supports the CD hypothesis? why arent any of the respected engineering journals publishing his work? poor guy.

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but in any case, it doesnt actually say anything that supports the thesis of inside job or controlled demolition, so im not sure why we are supposed to care?

Yes they are speaking about making milkshakes in the paper you fuking idiot.

What a fuking troll, did not even read the paper.

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Originally posted by culorut Yes they are speaking about making milkshakes in the paper you fuking idiot. What a fuking troll, did not even read the paper.

i read parts of it; the thesis being that thermite produced the heat at ground zero as well as the nanochemicals he supposedlsy has found.

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Well, looks like I have to write some letters again... This paper is a sham. References to works that are not reviewed, rampant speculation, and above all, no useful conclusion. I do give Dr. Jones credit for one -- exactly one -- thing, however. He actually defines a hypothesis. Not a hypothesis for the whole WTC Towers collapse, mind you, just a hypothesis for the very limited scope of effects that he discusses here in detail. His hypothesis, i.e. that unknown "nano-composites" are to blame for the heat and chemical species seen at the Pile, has already been discounted due to superior (and preceeding) work by Lioy et al. among others. Dr. Jones is moving closer to the scientific method with this paper, but unfortunately, by doing so he makes it much easier to refute his conclusions. This paper, like the Bentham paper, should never have been published. I'm not surprised that it showed up here, rather than a more suitable publication. I'll be interested to see what their editors have to say about this, and will keep you informed.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=120293&page=2

i dont blame you culorut. you simply dont have the experience of academics to understand the difference between jones' work and that done by proper scientists, and published in proper journals.

its not your fault, i know.

edit: oh, could you please copy the most important part of the paper that you feel supports the controlled demolition hypothesis. just one part that you believe is salient to the debate and provides a strong case for your crazy bullshit.

just a paragraph will do.

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Originally posted by culorut Yes they are speaking about making milkshakes in the paper you fuking idiot. What a fuking troll, did not even read the paper.

It says the 1,3-diphenylpropane came from tens of thousands of burning computers. Do you know how many chemicals are present in an office building, especially high rise skyscrapers?

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i read parts of it; the thesis being that thermite produced the heat at ground zero as well as the nanochemicals he supposedlsy has found.

No it actually says that thermite/thermate was present in the paint as suggested earlier by Steven Jones and it was noted in the paper that polystyrene might have been the source. Seems that the so called debunkers like to leave out what is really in the paper.

You clearly get all your info from the leader in mis-information forums
(randi) LOL.

I actually took a look at the link to the forum and it is a bunch of posters that all resemble PKC.

They all say the same bullshit, the paper is not recognized, they just paid for it, etc, etc.

losers.