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| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
alright, I can come up with a couple songs off the top of my head, that some people sonsider epic style, but doesn't quite fit in to this "definition"
"How can anyone take this trite, derivative garbage seriously? What the hell is this, anyway. It's bombastic melodrama; a pompous, over-the-top, monstrously grotesque caricature of what trance used to be. The final betrayel. Trance is dead. Ferry Corsten killed it."
It seems like you want an example of some epic trance songs that aren't pompous, over-the-top, obnoxious, what have you.
Now this is kind of hard because ideas like pompous, over-the-top, and grotesque caricature are subjective terms, any song I give can be judged as pompous or not depending on each person's point of view.
But I still have a few ideas,
PvD - Nothin but You
this one can fit that idea, as you have already said
I also find that PvD - Forbidden Fruit is an epic trancer that isn't pompous, it has a lot of emotion, so it can be argued that is is a "grotesque caricature of what trance used to be", since trance used to not have such emotion in it, but one can counter this argument by saying that this track is not grotesque, a songs "grotesqueness" canot be measured objectively. I find that this isn't a pompous track though, it almost has a humble vibe to it actually.
Another tune which could qualify is Salt Tank - Eugina, another epic track, but even people with a highly developed taste for EDM find this one pleasing to hear. The classification of this track as epic is arguable, so is any sort of over-the-top factor. Subjective ideas, so if you really want to beleive ishkurs definition badly enough, you can just say "this track is pompous." If you judge the music for yourself, you might come to a different conclusion. |
I think this has more to do with definition of epic trance (particularly Dutch) than it does with finding Dutch epic which isn't pompous and over-the-top. Some people will say there are pompous tracks within epic, whereas others will say that all Dutch epic trance is pompous and overblown, considering this a separate subgenre. I would go in the latter group, because I think the dividing trademark of Dutch epic trance IS overblown anthems with ridiculously long breakdowns. Take that away and it's just epic trance (like Forbidden Fruit), not Dutch. Eugina I wouldn't even call epic trance -- instead balearic trance or epic house -- so it's very dependent on the definitions people use.
Still, I think Dutch epic trance can be both its signature overblown self AND be good, but only on rare occasions, such as in Tenshi and Armin's 2000-01 work. It seems one of the most difficult trance genres to pull off effectively, actually. The problem isn't with the genre itself, but that it's enormously difficult to make, and legions of people with relatively little skill have taken on production. It's like high school watercolorists attempting to make Renaissance frescos.
| quote: | How about Tiesto vs Junkie XL - Obsession
This one is most definately a dutch trancer, because tiesto had a hand in it. |
Obsession is textbook progressive trance, not epic, and Junkie XL had more to do with its production than Tiesto.
Nothing But You I'm really on the fence about. I think it's too abrasive to be Dutch, which is much more melodic and orchestral. In addition, its breakdown isn't extraordinarily long compared to most Dutch.
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