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Originally posted by NeoPhono Hmmm...I'm acutally a bit suprised to hear that. Do you have nightly Yum updates started? Right now Yum has the most current version of the GTK2 package for FC5. FC is one of the most popular distros, along with Ubuntu and Debian, I'm not sure if the other two would be any more up do date. I guess I'm just wondering where you've had problems with out of date packages with Fedora Core.

Well, I downloaded and burned the ISO for Fedora 5 (haven't installed it yet, still using 4, mostly because I'm too busy rightnow to backup and update my OS). But remember my post earlier in this thread about getting pysoulseek/nicotine to work in Fedora? Well, I couldn't resolve all of the dependencies since the appropriate version simply weren't out there for Fedora (at the time atleast). And that annoyed me because I had to switch to Windows everytime I wanted to get onto Soulseek. Plus, it seems like installing from source (eg. tar.gz) can be problematic at times.

Oh, BTW, you were right about K3B. It kicks ass!

EDIT: Plus, I've been hearing good things about Ubuntu. Although I may still just update to Fedora 5 instead of Ubuntu.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Why use soulseek when the fxp hub is back up.....but you didn't hear that from me ;-)

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Hey guys I need some advice. I've been an OSX user for 2 years but had to sell my powerbook. now i'm on an old laptop (pentium 3 M 1.33ghz 512mb ram) and i'm hating windows.

i want to try linux, but i have some questions

which is the best? i heard about symphony OS and how easy it is to use, i don't know code at all. i basically need an OS to play videos, listen to music, connect to the internet wirelessly, download with bitorrent

how do i make sure the hardware on my laptop is compatible with windows?

and lastly, is linux compatible with fat32? i have an external that i use that is in fat32 format

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Originally posted by Haunted i basically need an OS to play videos, listen to music, connect to the internet wirelessly, download with bitorrent

I've been doing all of that with Fedora for a long time. Due to copyright issues, you'll have to install MPlayer and a real MP3 plugin for Xmms yourself though, so maybe you'd be better off with a non-US distribution like Ubuntu. It's not that it's hard to install, but if you've never ever had any experience with a Unix like OS, you might want to get settled in before starting to mess about - and you want to be able to see movies and listen to music while doing that. Check
http://distrowatch.com/
for a more thorough discussion.

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Originally posted by Haunted how do i make sure the hardware on my laptop is compatible with windows?

I assume that you mean Linux? If the laptop is as old as you say it is, my bet is that it will work with any new distribution, such as FC5. However, you might want to check these first:

http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html

http://www.linux-laptop.net/

http://tuxmobil.org/

As to the FAT32 thing. Yes, Linux reads FAT drives and also the remote ones. However, M$ recently changed their licensing policies, and other companies are now required to pay them for supporting the FAT system. This may mean that the FAT-support is not included as default in the distribution - I really don't know.

99% of the people that voted Linux...

1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's.
2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows.
3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

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I'm looking at Wolvix and Linspire, anyone have experience with those?

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Originally posted by toshirozawa 99% of the people that voted Linux... 1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's. 2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows. 3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

100% of the people who posted this are tools and have absolutely no way to back up what they've said.

I hope you feel better though.

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Originally posted by toshirozawa 99% of the people that voted Linux... 1. Voted Linux, yet still use windows on their PC's. 2. Voted Linux because who dares to be masked as a supporter of windows. 3. Voted Linux, yet have no fucking idea what it is and try to fit in with the cyber rebels of mainstream cyberspace.

The first retarted post in this thread. I guess it was bound to happen at some point.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Read the conclusion to this review

http://www.techtree.com/techtree/js...t_id=610&page=3

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"Linux is not ready". I can understand how harsh that may sound to you linux junkies and veterans, but that's exactly what you need to think about : I am not a linux junkie or veteran, and I didn't find it straightforward to install a new CD burning application in Xandros. I like Linux, and I want it to get better and better and with it, I also want it to become much more easier to use. Today, my mom finds her way around the internet, finds small freeware games (or demos) and is able to install and play them on her Windows XP machine. Would she be able do this on Xandros? Hell, even I can't. Not without scanning the gazillion dependencies and recompiling the source and maybe upgrading the kernel. I don't want to compile code just to be able to run one new application. I just want it to work.

discuss

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Originally posted by Haunted Read the conclusion to this review http://www.techtree.com/techtree/js...t_id=610&page=3 discuss

Linux is not as "user friendly" or as easy to install as Windows. However, I'd say that it's not meant to be. If you want an analogy its like driving a car with manual transmission (linux) vs an automatic (Windows).

If you want virtually complete control over your operating system and what goes into it, you're going to like linux. It takes time to learn what the heck you're doing and the learning curve is steep. In this respect, it's not for your Grandma or causal internet surfer. However, if you enjoy being able to completely dictate how your machine runs, and why it is doing what it is doing, you're going to like linux.

Linux takes more time to fully understand and to setup. However, once you do learn your way around, it makes "tweaking" that much easier. Linux is for those who don't mind learning a new system in order to receieve the payoff at the end. Windows is for those who just want to pop in a disk, install and surf the web/check their email. (Although with modern distros/installs of linux, you can do the exact same thing. I'm not sure how or why the author of the article had such a tough time.)

It just depends what you want.


And *gasp* I'll admit it, I have a dual boot setup with one of those being Windows XP. Why? Because I do web development and I have to see how the extremely fickle and buggy Internet Explorer works with web pages that otherwise work perfectly with other browsers. Also, if you're a "gamer" you simply have no choice other then to use Windows to run your games. I'm sure someone will tell me that they use Wine or some other emulator to due just that, but if they have all of their modern gaming aps working perfectly by that method, they are a computer genius. I'm not a "gamer" (or a genius) so I could care less.

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"Linux is not ready". I can understand how harsh that may sound to you linux junkies and veterans, but that's exactly what you need to think about : I am not a linux junkie or veteran, and I didn't find it straightforward to install a new CD burning application in Xandros. I like Linux, and I want it to get better and better and with it, I also want it to become much more easier to use. Today, my mom finds her way around the internet, finds small freeware games (or demos) and is able to install and play them on her Windows XP machine. Would she be able do this on Xandros? Hell, even I can't. Not without scanning the gazillion dependencies and recompiling the source and maybe upgrading the kernel. I don't want to compile code just to be able to run one new application. I just want it to work.

"Linux is not ready". "Ready" for what, was my initial reaction. For the last 10 days I've been running some huge computer experiments on my machine, the one I have at work, and three heavy-duty Sun application servers at work. I follow the experiments on all machines through terminals at both my home machine and my work machine, while having the experiments write to the same network filesystem directory and having this directory synchronized daily with another machine. At the same time I'm running Firefox, Thunderbird, listening to MP3s, watching the Colbert Report, doing work, etc. as I usually do. I would never ever dare doing this with Windows machines. They are simply too unstable.
Anyways, I read the entire review, and the reviewer was a bit more clear there, stating that Linux is not ready "for the desktop". Clearly this must mean that you only want to play games and browse the net when seated at a desktop machine. I disagree with this, but leaving that aside, it is interesting to note that the reviewers only concrete criticism is that he is unable to install k3b. As I'm not using the debian package system myself, I cannot comment on this system, but I can comment on the yum system. I find it a very smooth experience (as long as I don't have to upgrade my glib or glibc) and have yet to encounter serious problems that couldn't be solved by googling for some ten minutes. The same goes for installing from a tar-ball, where most applications install easily (one notable exception is nicotine).
I've certainly encounteret far more problems back when I was using Windows. First of all, because practically all software for Windows is shareware, and requires serial numbers or the like to work. Second, because a good fraction of Windows software have refused to run correctly on my machine. And here comes my main beef with Windows. Once something refuses to work, there's more often than not no way in hell that you can fix what's wrong. If you venture into the Windows system directory you're greeted with a mess of files, some of them necessary, other not. Furthermore, some installation programs will happily overwrite the files you've already got in there, resulting in a mixed bag of system files once you've had the system running for a while. And then there's the registry database, which is - I claim - impossible to survey for mortal men. After a while you end up installing something that refuses to uninstall for some reason, and leaves you with a popup at system start-up, or simply have your system crashing occasionally. The end result is that you end up with a system that needs a clean re-install once in a while. Is that really the installation system that you want for your desktop?
There's also the point about security, which I think would be a problem for even the desktop user - if he or she dabbles in buying stuff online or manages the bank account from home. But I guess this point is pretty much established by now.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono 100% of the people who posted this are tools and have absolutely no way to back up what they've said.

LOL.

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