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RayRayy
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Registered: Oct 2006
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Found this note on facebook by Michael Armstrong from Beb.....Here is his response....


As organizer of Bal en Blanc, I am infuriated reading some of the comments making the rounds, from people who are ignorant of just about everything that staging this type of event requires.

The Palais des Congrès is in reality the only viable option for presenting an event of this scope. As some people have already mentioned, rightly, legal capacity of a hall is not determined solely by its surface area. The number of fire exits and their accessibility, as well as a host of other details, have to be taken into account. Thus, the legal capacity of the central area of Olympic Stadium is in fact only 7,000 to 8,000 people. The two other rooms (Les Grandes hauteurs) can accommodate a larger crowd (we already held the event there, when the Palais was being renovated) but are far from offering a comparable quality of environment.

And what exactly are you trying to prove with this Hells Angels story? Quite frankly, this is really carrying things too far. Bal en Blanc has always made the point of being an inclusive event, open to all without discrimination. How could we change our minds overnight and decide that there are people we do not want to allow in? if a full-patch Hells Angel chooses to buy a ticket and come to the event, we have no choice but to let him in. If it is anyone’s business to deny him access, it is well and truly the police, but rest assured that the Hells Angel in question (if he in fact existed) had no option but to go through security and be frisked under the supervision of police officers. If they did let him in, that was because he was within his rights to come in, like anyone holding a ticket. Some of the comments expressed on forums about the event and its organizers border on defamation and would deserve appropriate legal action if anyone thought to attach the slightest degree of importance to them.

As for the long lineups, I affirm and I repeat, we did not sell a single ticket over the legal capacity previously negotiated with Palais des Congrès and the City of Montreal fire department. The long wait experienced by a number of participants was the result of circumstances beyond our control. We emphasize that no waits were caused by any of the steps we were in a position to control. Ticket checking and the cloakroom service worked smoothly throughout the night and were in no way responsible for the bottlenecks that occurred. Moreover, additional personnel had been assigned to the cloakroom to make the service as efficient as possible. Nevertheless, despite strict respect for the legal capacity allotted for Palais des Congrès, despite the fact that we rented two extra rooms to expand the capacity in question (technical detail: these rooms, located at the end of the Trance room, were accessible during previous editions, but renting them this year formalized access to the emergency exists that they contain), lines failed to move for quite some time owing to a number of factors.

First, the City of Montreal police decided to carry out a much stricter search procedure than in previous years. It was only after our repeated complaints that they agreed to allow security agents to skip certain stages of the frisk, thereby speeding up the flow at the entrance. And although those procedures are the subject each year of detailed negotiations before the event, we remain at the mercy of the level of stringency that the police feel is appropriate once they arrive on the premises.

Secondly, the intervention of the City of Montreal fire department also had the effect of interrupting participants’ gaining admission. Once again, the legal capacity of the leased space is the subject each year of detailed negotiations before the event takes place. When they arrived, fire department representatives judged that, despite the respect they found for the designated capacity, participants were not spread out sufficiently evenly in the leased space. They felt that people were grouped too closely together on the two dancefloors, and this was the reason invoked to stop new participants from coming in. During negotiations concerning capacity, it goes without saying that the authorities were aware that this type of event is first and foremost party- and dance-oriented. Although we do not wish to give the impression that the safety of participants can ever be anything but the number-one priority, the nature of the reason given is this case leaves us puzzled.

One can only wonder at the degree of determination demonstrated by the authorities each year to undermine the efforts of the organizers and in the process discourage them from staging events such as this. At the same time they exasperate all fans of electronic dance music by refusing to legitimize the existence of the culture and the lifestyle that these fans adhere to.

The White Party Week organization wishes to thank those participants who were frustrated by the time it took to enter the event for their patience


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RayRayy
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ahhhh...What does the Bikers have to do with his explanation...yeah I saw a patch members there so what???


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malek
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i don't know either, but keep in mind there's plenty of forums out there with lots of cry babies


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DarV
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Stupid fire marshal if he thinks that he can stop raves in this city well I got news for him IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN...

IDIOTS


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julien2
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Registered: Jun 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by RayRayy
ahhhh...What does the Bikers have to do with his explanation...yeah I saw a patch members there so what???


It has to do with a comment (not a complain) made by a user on ravemontreal.com forum about the bikers they saw there.

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Rayrayy, thank you for posting this. Maybe the BeB people forgot about us - arguably the most devoted, biggest fans of edm. Or maybe they haven't gotten around to it yet.. or maybe they just don't care.

quote:

The Palais des Congrès is in reality the only viable option for presenting an event of this scope.

The two other rooms (Les Grandes hauteurs) can accommodate a larger crowd (we already held the event there, when the Palais was being renovated) but are far from offering a comparable quality of environment.


Hmmmm. Although Black and Blue has had smaller numbers the past few years, I remember going to Black and Blue in '05 when they had a crowd of 16,000 - comparable to Bal en Blanc's. No lineup issues, no washroom issues, no dancefloor congestion issues. The venue also had adequate seating/resting area, whereas the concourse area of the Palais offered a semblance of that. You had to have VIP otherwise..

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And what exactly are you trying to prove with this Hells Angels story?


Irrelevant, and should not be lumped with the lineup issue. This is a separate issue altogether.

quote:

As for the long lineups, I affirm and I repeat, we did not sell a single ticket over the legal capacity previously negotiated with Palais des Congrès and the City of Montreal fire department


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They felt that people were grouped too closely together on the two dancefloors, and this was the reason invoked to stop new participants from coming in


You know what? Maybe the City of Montreal Fire Department were right here. Perhaps the "people were grouped too closely together on the two dancefloors," indeed. Again, all I saw was that the bathrooms were grossly overflowing with people and that the dancefloor was much more jammed than in previous years. All this by midnight, even. That tells me something...

There are two sides to every story. We've heard Bal en Blanc's but I wonder what the Fire Department have to say about all this.

And I laugh at those who say to a) come earlier and b) get VIP. Think about it: you have 15,000 ppl showing up at 8-9PM, you will have the same problems. ANF said it best, showing up early "is for highschool kids." And are we all (all 15000 of us) to get VIP next year then?

Speaking of next year, I've pretty much had it with Bal en Blanc. You guys incompetently dropped the ball two years in a row. We the people delivered and the djs delivered.. collectively we made the best of a bad situation and gave Bal en Blanc a overall positive vibe. But as organisers, you guys leave much to be desired.

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elie
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I think Michael had some pretty valid points, I did see the fire dep not letting people in. My friend who does security said they let in 1 person every 10 min at one point.

They worked their ass off, and I dont think with what happened last year, they would dare sell more tickets than they could- as specially since the fire dep was there from the beginning.


imo


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Re: ....

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Originally posted by elie
I think Michael had some pretty valid points, I did see the fire dep not letting people in. My friend who does security said they let in 1 person every 10 min at one point.

They worked their ass off, and I dont think with what happened last year, they would dare sell more tickets than they could- as specially since the fire dep was there from the beginning.


imo


of course the fire dept had to stop people from going in. BeB cannot control its tickets sales, and again, judging from that dancefloor and the bathrooms at 12AM, they had to be monitored.

Again, I don't doubt how hard these guys work. But are they working smart? Are they working ethically (ie not overselling)?

What happened last year was crazy, and it would be business suicide to oversell again. But sometimes greed (or stupidity, or both) overcomes all rational thought.

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I think the issue here is that the party is too popular for its own good... I might sound crazy, but even after ticket price increase to 100$! It still at full capacity

What do you do to control demand, you hike the price even more or you supply more space for even a bigger party.

The last option is really not an option because there's no other place (or bylaws to permit) in town at this moment for this kind of event.

We will have to wait for an expansion of the Palais des Congrès, or make with higher ticket prices.


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quote:
Originally posted by malek
I think the issue here is that the party is too popular for its own good... I might sound crazy, but even after ticket price increase to 100$! It still at full capacity

What do you do to control demand, you hike the price even more or you supply more space for even a bigger party.

The last option is really not an option because there's no other place (or bylaws to permit) in town at this moment for this kind of event.

We will have to wait for an expansion of the Palais des Congrès, or make with higher ticket prices.


what is the LEGAL capacity of palais? Anyone know?

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Well, they stated that they did not exceed the legal capacity, so I think the legal capacity of Palais is well around 15k. Don't forget that legal capacity = emergency exits. That's why Palais > Stade olympique in terms of legal capacity for such events

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how the f--- then did they manage to get 16k into Olympic? And do we know the real numbers for BeB? Again, lets hear the other side, see what they have to say..

As for hiking ticket prices, people will balk even if they can afford the extra $20-50 for BeB. A $135-150 ticket 'sounds' outrageous to a lot of ppl. It's funny the psychology involved around ticket purchasing, when someone feels they're getting a deal even if it's $5-10 cheaper, for example.

Right now, Bal en Blanc is worth $60 at most the way it's being run, imo. Even without the marshalls there, it still would have been a huge fucking mess (I feel I'm reposting everything I said about last years )

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