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Originally posted by BrenLuxor Well along came a track called Pacific State by 808 State which showed the mainstream music world that 'rave music' could be every bit as technically gifted as any music done on 'real instruments' which made the music world sit up and listen. A year or two later along came a track called 'Papue New Guinea' by FSOL which not only said to the mainstream music world that we can be as technically gifted as you 'musicians' but that we can infact do it better than you!

Yep, good luck with pushing individual, original tracks like that on this generation of trance lovers.

This thing called ASOT brainwashes the youth to having unwarranted appreciation for very, very average tracks that essentially all sound the same (all in my humble opinion, of course )

I says what about Go? Alas it too is not within the ASOT programming sound and therefore will unlikely ever to be heard by the majority of people under say... 24? A waste that some will never hear it! And unless Armin, their God, gets off his backside and pushes a new sound, mediocrity will continue to prevail in the world of trance at least in the new future.

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Originally posted by queen_vee Yep, good luck with pushing individual, original tracks like that on this generation of trance lovers. This thing called ASOT brainwashes the youth to having unwarranted appreciation for very, very average tracks that essentially all sound the same (all in my humble opinion, of course ) I says what about Go? Alas it too is not within the ASOT programming sound and therefore will unlikely ever to be heard by the majority of people under say... 24? A waste that some will never hear it! And unless Armin, their God, gets off his backside and pushes a new sound, mediocrity will continue to prevail in the world of trance at least in the new future.

A classical composer would say something similar about you and your praise of the "Go" track and about all people listening to the electronic dance music.

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Originally posted by paulandrews Everyone should be stupid then because in everyone´s life are some things we just don´t care about.

theres a difference between not caring about what the track is called altogether and calling a track something that its not due to laziness.

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Originally posted by RapidFire theres a difference between not caring about what the track is called altogether and calling a track something that its not.

now you talk about something i haven´t ever mentioned or you did not get it (or i have expressed badly).

i was talking about people who absolutely have no clue what´s the name of the track and still enjoy it (hearing it in a club or somewhere out).

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Originally posted by queen_vee Yep, good luck with pushing individual, original tracks like that on this generation of trance lovers. This thing called ASOT brainwashes the youth to having unwarranted appreciation for very, very average tracks that essentially all sound the same (all in my humble opinion, of course ) I says what about Go? Alas it too is not within the ASOT programming sound and therefore will unlikely ever to be heard by the majority of people under say... 24? A waste that some will never hear it! And unless Armin, their God, gets off his backside and pushes a new sound, mediocrity will continue to prevail in the world of trance at least in the new future.

God bless you my man.
You do of course realize that we sound like boring auld b******s

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Originally posted by paulandrews A classical composer would say something similar about you and your praise of the "Go" track and about all people listening to the electronic dance music.

That was precisely the point I was trying to make, tracks such as Pacific State and Papue New Guinnea actually got recognition from the established music world at a time when the snobbery against 'rave' was tenfold that of todays.
My point is that I cant imagen any tracks of recent times that are recognized for their 'musical and emetional' ability by those outside of 'dance music' circles.

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Originally posted by paulandrews now you talk about something i haven´t ever mentioned or you did not get it (or i have expressed badly). i was talking about people who absolutely have no clue what´s the name of the track and still enjoy it (hearing it in a club or somewhere out).

well you seemed to imply that these people know of the tiesto remix:

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Originally posted by paulandrews You just have to realize that f.e. many people haven´t heard about the original mix (or Fade mix) of Silence and they only know the Tiesto´s and that it´s NOT their fault.

my argument was that its ignorant to know tiestos and not the original (all the while thinking its by tiesto).

people enjoying music without track names and labels is an entirely different story.

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Originally posted by BrenLuxor That was precisely the point I was trying to make, tracks such as Pacific State and Papue New Guinnea actually got recognition from the established music world at a time when the snobbery against 'rave' was tenfold that of todays. My point is that I cant imagen any tracks of recent times that are recognized for their 'musical and emetional' ability by those outside of 'dance music' circles. http://www.myspace.com/hybrasil

Who gave it the recognition exactly? I´m just curious, don´t know that.

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Originally posted by RapidFire people enjoying music without track names and labels is an entirely different story.

ok then. i was talking right about them.

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Originally posted by paulandrews ok then. i was talking right about them.

and what exactly are you trying to say about them?

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Originally posted by paulandrews Who gave it the recognition exactly? I´m just curious, don´t know that.

A fair question. It was as much about a sense that 'dance/rave music' was here to stay and that it had something to offer the wider music community.
Thats more or less what even the mainstram music media and musicians began to say regarding the 'rave' culture at this period.
Its just my opinion that Pacific State and Papue New Guinnea were the two breakthrough tracks that broke down the barriers, as I say its not an opinion that Iv heard alot just the sense I got at the time and still hold today

Now I know 'rave culture' was as much about the lifestyle (which is a whole other debate) as the music but Im just talking specifically about the music that drove the scene.

Cheers

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