^^^ I think the concensus is that MoPete is gone next year.

Luke Jackson is an adequate replacement, given that he'll be available at half (or less) of what MoPete will expect. I would be surprised to not see him in camp next year.

I think coaches get too much credit (and take too much blame) for what actually goes on during a game. Sure they call plays, sure they decide who's in at whatever time, but it's the players who have to execute.

Sam has, at the very least, helped keep everyone happy...there's no one complaining, no locker room dissent, no cliques, nada. Management deserves some credit there too, for bringing in the right people.

Really though...if people think Sam should go...then who should be brought in? Do you feel that Sam's shortcomings exceed the possible turmoil of brining in ANOTHER new coach? If we give players like Ford the benefit of the doubt (i.e. he's young, learning to be an NBA PG, etc), shouldn't Sam get that same learning curve opportunity? It's indisputable that he's a better head coach than he was when he first took over

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I think the concensus is that MoPete is gone next year. Luke Jackson is an adequate replacement, given that he'll be available at half (or less) of what MoPete will expect. I would be surprised to not see him in camp next year. I think coaches get too much credit (and take too much blame) for what actually goes on during a game. Sure they call plays, sure they decide who's in at whatever time, but it's the players who have to execute. Sam has, at the very least, helped keep everyone happy...there's no one complaining, no locker room dissent, no cliques, nada. Management deserves some credit there too, for bringing in the right people. Really though...if people think Sam should go...then who should be brought in? Do you feel that Sam's shortcomings exceed the possible turmoil of brining in ANOTHER new coach? If we give players like Ford the benefit of the doubt (i.e. he's young, learning to be an NBA PG, etc), shouldn't Sam get that same learning curve opportunity? It's indisputable that he's a better head coach than he was when he first took over

You can have a star studded team, but without a good coach for directions, they'll never be a winning team. (New York anyone?)

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

^^^ very true.

Although then you look at someone like Phil Jackson or Pat Riley...both great coaches, but are they *really* responsible for their team winning/losing a game...or are they responsible for maintaining an atmosphere where their talented players can thrive and co-exist? A bit of both, I suppose...I'm just disappointed at seeing a lack of love for Sam. I think he has a great future as a good coach.

College coaches are 'good coaches'...but none in recent memory have been able to replicate their NCAA success in the NBA. I think it's very much about managing egos and playing time than drawing up plays. There aren't too many 'surprise plays' that no other team has ever seen...but that's me talking out of my ass...I'm not an NBA coach and can't really say for sure

New York is a roller coaster because those egos can't be managed...you have Starbury thinking he's the best PG in the game...and a bunch of players who all think they are 'the man'...management who brings in talent without considering how the players will gel...etc. I don't think there's a coach in the league who can instantly 'fix' the Knicks, lol.

a lot of you guys know A LOT about basketball, holy fuck

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Originally posted by jon jon a lot of you guys know A LOT about basketball, holy fuck

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Originally posted by MarkT but are they *really* responsible for their team winning/losing a game...or are they responsible for maintaining an atmosphere where their talented players can thrive and co-exist?

This may be the case in the recent past for the NBA, as since Jordan came into his own in the NBA, every team went looking for their marketable 'star'. As a result the most talented players adopted egos almost as a birthright, making the coach not just a guy who diagrams the plays, but one who manages the relations of the players on his roster.

But it wasn't too long ago that you could go out and see a game with scores in the 110's-120's without OT. Players less concerned with their touches makes them more likely to pass the ball up for an open shot. It was a team mentality before, and with the top teams being SA, Phx, Dal, Det, and even if we wanted to put the Raps and Bulls in that category we could, the game is slowly becoming a team game again. With that, the role of the coach is again becoming more important. I've always been a supporter of the coaches role being that of organizing the method in which we play, not to be a psychiatrist for the dysfuntional, spoiled members of their team.

Sure Kobe's incredible, but where are the Lakers? 5 beats 1, everytime.

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Originally posted by EvilTree You can have a star studded team, but without a good coach for directions, they'll never be a winning team. (New York anyone?)

This is the first time I think you and I are on the same side of a basketball discussion, haha.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy This may be the case in the recent past for the NBA, as since Jordan came into his own in the NBA, every team went looking for their marketable 'star'. As a result the most talented players adopted egos almost as a birthright, making the coach not just a guy who diagrams the plays, but one who manages the relations of the players on his roster. But it wasn't too long ago that you could go out and see a game with scores in the 110's-120's without OT. Players less concerned with their touches makes them more likely to pass the ball up for an open shot. It was a team mentality before, and with the top teams being SA, Phx, Dal, Det, and even if we wanted to put the Raps and Bulls in that category we could, the game is slowly becoming a team game again. With that, the role of the coach is again becoming more important. I've always been a supporter of the coaches role being that of organizing the method in which we play, not to be a psychiatrist for the dysfuntional, spoiled members of their team. Sure Kobe's incredible, but where are the Lakers? 5 beats 1, everytime. EDIT This is the first time I think you and I are on the same side of a basketball discussion, haha.

I agree with all of that too...it is refreshing to see that the top teams are the ones who not only have a star or two...or even a decent starting lineup...but depth and coaches who actually involve all players on the court in their offense and defense.

I can't stand watching Kobe, Arenas and, to a lesser extent until he joining Denver, Iverson. Sure, they're *incredibly* talented players, but b-ball is a team game and watching 4 guys stand around while one guy runs the entire offense is not what I enjoy watching. As long as they play the way they do, I actually wish for their teams to fail (as they are doing).

The refs could ease up on the whistles for superstars too...watching Wade get every fucking foul call imagineable, especially when there not only negligible contact, but no contact at all, is sickening.

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Originally posted by MarkT I can't stand watching Kobe, Arenas and, to a lesser extent until he joining Denver, Iverson. Sure, they're *incredibly* talented players, but b-ball is a team game and watching 4 guys stand around while one guy runs the entire offense is not what I enjoy watching. As long as they play the way they do, I actually wish for their teams to fail (as they are doing).

I used to always hate Kobe for these reasons, but lately I've actually turned into a Kobe fan just because of how talented he is. You can't put Arenas, or any other player for that matter, in the same sentence as Kobe.

Outside of that though, I agree with everything you said. I like to watch TEAMS play, not just one guy (outside of Kobe).

A little O/T, but anyone else nervous about tonights game?

I was nervous until the 2nd half

it looks like the curse of the Bulls is officially over

I'm already excited for next season...after some playoff experience and more time playing together, the Raps will be that much better!

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH A little O/T, but anyone else nervous about tonights game?

so much for that

bonus...Miami just lost in OT to Charlotte