Tiesto14 is right when it comes this part. It checks out and is consistent with the combustion diffuser case of a 757. Boeing contracts a lot of people to do their engines, but specifically the engines used on the 757-200 can only be from either of these 2 brands:

Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4

Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4B

OR

Pratt & Whitney PW2037

Pratt & Whitney PW2040

If you look at the second picture which is more detailed you notice the number RB-211. The piece at the crash matches that of the Rolls Royce engine also titled RB211.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/75...pf_200tech.html

According to Russell Pickering of 911review.org this is what he says regarding the wheel hub: "[that photo] is not from the Pentagon. It is from the WTC.”

Finally a piece that tiesto14 left out was this:

The picture can be found here. The ID for the pictures are 4414 and 4415.

As you may or may not know a plane has three main components: The 2 engines with the huge turbines on the wings and the APU (auxiliary power unit) located at the tail of the 757 which contain a smaller turbine inside. The APU serves as a generator or power source to the airplane. Think of it like the alternator in a car.

Anyways “several readers wrote to American Free Press suggesting that the unidentified disc was a piece from the APU mounted in the tail section of a Boeing 757. Honeywell [is the company that] makes the APU used on the 757 aircraft. “AFP contacted Honeywell’s Aerospace division in Phoenix, Ariz., and sent high-resolution photos for their examination. “There’s no way that’s an APU wheel,” an expert at Honeywell told AFP. The expert, who cannot be named, added: “That turbine disc—there’s no way in the world that came out of an APU.”

“If the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engine,” Mark Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP.
John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.”

The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military’s unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman’s subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999.

If the government version that an American Airlines 757-200 hit the Pentagon is accurate, then the object in the photo would have to be from a Rolls Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine.
When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information.

Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer.

AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: “No,” Brown said. “I don’t build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company.”
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10...y_swirling.html

Neither Honeywell nor Rolls Royce claim this piece. With that said we can conclude that this piece as well as the wheel hub is evidence alone to reexamine what really happened on that fateful day when the Pentagon was hit. Why were there different parts? What was in that crate they were carrying away? If only the government would release those tapes then and only then would I have some peace. Darn!

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Originally posted by seval like i said before you are quite clearly an uneducated politics, have you noticed every single link you have sent me is an americian site? not one from outside the us. you are a fool

So what if it is an American link. Do you dismiss everything from America lie? What if i gave you a link from Noam Chomsky who hates Bush..does he lie also?

You are seriously delusional and have nothing better to say execpt that i am an uneducated fool. You have brought absolutley NOTHING to the tabel to refute my claims except to say i am a dumb American. You sir are very sad.

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Originally posted by seval and like i said i wasnt calling the bush administration nazis if you were able to infer which you aernt i was saying that bush is worse and you will have it because like it or not it is the view of eurpoe apart from england.

Hitler beleived in his final solution that killed millions upon millions of Jews and beleived he was doing the work of his God. Bush is not even close to the same caliber of a person.

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Originally posted by seval every time you try to back a claim up you rely on websites known for their sycophantic alliance with the government and your failing to listin to anybody else in this forum has made you look like a fool,

I posted links to acclaimed engineers froma ll over the world, univericities and many organiztions not connected with any government...you would know that if you cared to click one and read it. Again you are wrong....and youa re the one calling me a fool cus i dont buy into your theories that you have yet to show proof of.

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Originally posted by seval i spent hours reading books, going to lectures and researching the net before i made up my mind as to what happened, you quite clearly havent and as a result you have a limited arsenal to attack me with, most of your posts are from what has been said in media,

Actually i used to buy into the 9.11 conspiracy until i spent 2 years researching it...again you are wrong.

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Originally posted by seval little or none of what you post is your own words, your posts are not facts as most of your claims have been dismised as nonsense.

Whos words are they? What facts have i posted that you can say are false? i gladly challenge you to refute them...i am waiting.

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Originally posted by seval wtf is your last paragraph all about the bbc has proved that 9 of the suicide bombers are still alive and well today what part of that do you not understand, google it and find out for yourself.

Show me a link from the BBC...not another site...but from the BBC that claims they are still alive and i will beleive it...BUT the link has to be from 2003 to date...because as i said there was much name confusion going on.

Oh and Saudi Arabia already confirmed they are dead...but i will gladly wait for your link from the BBC that you are relying on...go get it for me and change my mind.

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Originally posted by seval ill tell you what if you can find any information from the last 6 months that doesnt contradict what was said when the attacks first happen then i would consider a different course of action, no im not talking about americian government websites (ill give you a hint they are the ones with a .gov in the http address not a .com) im talking about you accually spending serious time of your life researching this as i have, finding INDEPENDANT research reports that back up what you say i can gaurentee that you are in for a big suprise.

Listen i do not need to...Saudi Arabia confirmed it...you claim the BBC says it...well show me.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 Tiesto14 is right when it comes this part. It checks out and is consistent with the combustion diffuser case of a 757. Boeing contracts a lot of people to do their engines, but specifically the engines used on the 757-200 can only be from either of these 2 brands: Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4 Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4B OR Pratt & Whitney PW2037 Pratt & Whitney PW2040 If you look at the second picture which is more detailed you notice the number RB-211. The piece at the crash matches that of the Rolls Royce engine also titled RB211. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/75...pf_200tech.html According to Russell Pickering of 911review.org this is what he says regarding the wheel hub: "[that photo] is not from the Pentagon. It is from the WTC.” Finally a piece that tiesto14 left out was this: The picture can be found here. The ID for the pictures are 4414 and 4415. As you may or may not know a plane has three main components: The 2 engines with the huge turbines on the wings and the APU (auxiliary power unit) located at the tail of the 757 which contain a smaller turbine inside. The APU serves as a generator or power source to the airplane. Think of it like the alternator in a car. Anyways “several readers wrote to American Free Press suggesting that the unidentified disc was a piece from the APU mounted in the tail section of a Boeing 757. Honeywell [is the company that] makes the APU used on the 757 aircraft. “AFP contacted Honeywell’s Aerospace division in Phoenix, Ariz., and sent high-resolution photos for their examination. “There’s no way that’s an APU wheel,” an expert at Honeywell told AFP. The expert, who cannot be named, added: “That turbine disc—there’s no way in the world that came out of an APU.” “If the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engine,” Mark Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP. John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy.” The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military’s unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman’s subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999. If the government version that an American Airlines 757-200 hit the Pentagon is accurate, then the object in the photo would have to be from a Rolls Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine. When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information. Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer. AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: “No,” Brown said. “I don’t build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company.” http://www.americanfreepress.net/10...y_swirling.html Neither Honeywell nor Rolls Royce claim this piece. With that said we can conclude that this piece as well as the wheel hub is evidence alone to reexamine what really happened on that fateful day when the Pentagon was hit. Why were there different parts? What was in that crate they were carrying away? If only the government would release those tapes then and only then would I have some peace. Darn!

your point?

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http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax?...%2Fpentagon.htm

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you quite clearly aernt going to admit there is anything suspicious about the attacks, which is fair enough but also quite pompous and arrogant, and their isnt really much point debating this if you fail to accept other peoples views, no says you have to belive them but totally dismising what other people produce is insulting to them.
i have no problem with you personally as i dont know you though i wouldnt really want to if you cant interact with other people and handle what they have to say

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Originally posted by seval you quite clearly aernt going to admit there is anything suspicious about the attacks, which is fair enough but also quite pompous and arrogant, and their isnt really much point debating this if you fail to accept other peoples views, no says you have to belive them but totally dismising what other people produce is insulting to them. i have no problem with you personally as i dont know you though i wouldnt really want to if you cant interact with other people and handle what they have to say

I tell you what...i will change my mind if any of the following happens:

- If a reasonable number of engineers said explosions must have brought down the towers, that’s what I would believe.

- If ex-CIA or intelligence people were saying there was something fishy about the story, I would listen up.

- If a group of commercial airline pilots said there was something fishy about NORAD on 9/11, I would change my mind. (The airline pilots would know if something was peculiar about NORAD on 9/11. Yet they have remained as silent as the engineers. The silence of the airline pilots is another item helping to hold my skepticism in place.)

- If the seismology indicated explosives, I would think explosives.

- If someone on the inside had confessed or leaked information, I would go with that.

- If any kind of document suggesting a conspiracy were presented, I would sit down & rethink everything. This might be an e-mail, recorded conversation, or printed or handwritten manuscript.

- If even one bonafide journalist were taking the matter seriously I would reconsider.


you talk about all the coincidences but we’re not talking about flaws & imperfections here. According to you, the conspirators planned & brought off a scenario that was blatantly impossible––with fires knocking down steel frame buildings, inexperienced pilots who could fly like aces, hijackers turning up alive, Muslims going to topless bars, etc.

These are not flaws in a clever plan. You’re imagining a scheme so full of absurdities that no conspirators would ever have planned such a thing.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I tell you what...i will change my mind if any of the following happens: - If a reasonable number of engineers said explosions must have brought down the towers, that’s what I would believe. - If ex-CIA or intelligence people were saying there was something fishy about the story, I would listen up. - If a group of commercial airline pilots said there was something fishy about NORAD on 9/11, I would change my mind. (The airline pilots would know if something was peculiar about NORAD on 9/11. Yet they have remained as silent as the engineers. The silence of the airline pilots is another item helping to hold my skepticism in place.) - If the seismology indicated explosives, I would think explosives. - If someone on the inside had confessed or leaked information, I would go with that. - If any kind of document suggesting a conspiracy were presented, I would sit down & rethink everything. This might be an e-mail, recorded conversation, or printed or handwritten manuscript. - If even one bonafide journalist were taking the matter seriously I would reconsider. you talk about all the coincidences but we’re not talking about flaws & imperfections here. According to you, the conspirators planned & brought off a scenario that was blatantly impossible––with fires knocking down steel frame buildings, inexperienced pilots who could fly like aces, hijackers turning up alive, Muslims going to topless bars, etc. These are not flaws in a clever plan. You’re imagining a scheme so full of absurdities that no conspirators would ever have planned such a thing.

well how about this ill shut up if you do lol

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Originally posted by seval well how about this ill shut up if you do lol

deal!

OK i am done argueing about this...lol.
Cya

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Originally posted by tiesto14 deal! OK i am done argueing about this...lol. Cya

bye

well ive watched most of that 911 video via google now. didnt finish all of it coz i had to go to sleep. firstly, id like to state how fvcking BORING most of it was. oh my god. i wouldve thought a crackpot conspiracy vid to be way more entertaining.

if anything, watching that vid did more to affirm my belief of no conspiracy. the only thing i saw that didnt seem all that benign were the sounds of the pre-collapse explosions. i agree, sounds a bit iffy!

but seriously, the rest of the stuff was clutching at straws (and thats being polite!).

ooooh! flashes near the helicopters. what could they be? if there was a conspiracy, wtf are those flashes meant to be? also loved the counting of the choppers- since none of them are in screen for all that long i wanna know how youre keeping count. haha.

towers explode outwards, not collapsing in on themselves. collapsing from where the damage occurred.

lmao @ pointing out the spot fire that was a few levels up from the primary fire. omg! fires spread??? no!!

lmao x100 at pointing the bird circling. did that have a point that i missed later on in the vid?

anywayz, ill finish it tnite but you conspiracy fellas are seeing what you wanna see. ive tried but like i said, apart from those pre-fall booms i fail to see what you have.

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“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani

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