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As I've grown older, I've immersed myself in almost every genre that electronic music has to offer - mainly techno & house (with exceptions). The reason why I often decide to walk away from one preferred genre to another can be blamed on my rebel nature. A constant strive to break away from any 'comfort zone' and put myself in a position where I will be challenged intellectually. To be honest, at the moment I feel 'techno' is gradually turning out to be the next 'trance' of our generation. I'll quote my good friend Jesse Somfay on this issue...

I have to be honest and say that, speaking for myself only, yes techno has lost its grace. I no longer love it or find much joy in it as I used to. I don't fault anyone for it, it's just something that happened with regards to my preferences. Looking at techno culture itself, however, I can see that there has been a lot of recycling and repetition with artistic innovation being something of a rarity, at least this is how it appears to me. Whether or not that is the case, it does not really excite me when I hear the latest releases and I'd sooner go back to putting on a nice noise-pop album. With regards to removing skeletons from the closet, I've never put any effort into anything like that and I think it is best to just let things happen and see where things lead, and with myself it has lead to writing non-dance oriented music.

Seldom do I rejoice listening to an entire techno set without getting bored half way. However, there are few talents out there that are bringing back the good old techno vibe (no strings attached) some of these artists are Jan Krueger (Hello? Repeat), Move D & Ricardo Villalobos to name a few. They seem to honor those deeply rooted principles and beliefs that 'techno' was built upon, but have been forgotten in today's information addicted society. Principles similar to that of closely knitted 'cults' and 'secret societies' made up of "geniuses", "non-conformists", "party animals", "insert label here". Music that was unrecognized by the lousy media that today plagues the internet & spoils the younger generation with restrictions of 'what is considered good' and 'what is considered awful', when that's completely subjective to the listener. But, that's just how the world works.

The excitement, peace & amity that I used to find in Techno and 4/4 music is gradually fading. I find myself immersed in other genres and bands (Deerhunter, Jesu, Atlas sound) that in some way or another, have painstakingly drove away from people's expectations, experimenting without constraints.

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Originally posted by diggerz The excitement, peace & amity that I used to find in Techno and 4/4 music is gradually fading. I find myself immersed in other genres and bands (Deerhunter, Jesu, Atlas sound) that in some way or another, have painstakingly drove away from people's expectations, experimenting without constraints.

Yeah Atlas Sound are nice, and this guy seems to have some serious medical condition but despite that he writes some excellent music. Jesu have some amazing albums. I also enjoyed "Why We Are Not Perfect" a lot. Very screengazey. Search for those albums as well (if you already haven't)

Maps- We Can Create
Bethany Curve- You Brought Us Here
Engineers- Engineers
Port-Royal- Flares
Epic45- May Your Heart Be The Map
Mogwai- Young Team
Emery Reel-For And Acted Upon Through Diversions
65Daysofstatic- The Fall of Math
Boy Is Fiction- Boy Is Fiction
El Ten Eleven- El Ten Eleven
M83- Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts
Maybeshewill-Not For Want of Trying
Labradford- Mi Medja Naradja
Caspian- The Four Trees
Lights Out Asia- Eyes Like Brontide
Explosions in The Sky- The Earth In Not A Cold Dead Place

(Edit for a few more)
(as well as any other album from those musicians, you may find something that you like)

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Originally posted by diggerz As I've grown older, I've immersed myself in almost every genre that electronic music has to offer - mainly techno & house (with exceptions). The reason why I often decide to walk away from one preferred genre to another can be blamed on my rebel nature. A constant strive to break away from any 'comfort zone' and put myself in a position where I will be challenged intellectually.

I don't listen to music to be 'challenged intellectually', I leave that to books, documentaries and discussions/debates.

I listen to music that I enjoy listening to, that evokes whatever emotion I'm looking to have magnified a bit. For the most part, I like being happy/positive/upbeat, which tends to be very closely linked to music that makes me want to dance. As a result, I tend to gravitate to the uplifting, dancier side of trance, house, breaks and psy for the most part, and funky techno from time to time. Hell, even cheesy 80s pop at times.

Minimal stuff from any genre doesn't instigate anything dance orientated for me, and if I am looking for just aurally stimulating, I'm more likely to revert to classical or ambient.

I guess my brain is just wired mainly towards melody, rather than percussion/rhythm/vocals.

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Originally posted by Psy-T here's a list of a few people who played at dance valley 2005 (some of which played 'proghouse', some of which played 'minimal'), it doesn't get much bigger than that in the netherlands, right? it's very likely i skipped a few more. now tell me again, with a straight face, that 'minimal' wasn't "big" in the netherlands in 2005.

Wow, if one list at one festival in one year is all it takes to make a genre called HUGE.....

I would like to see why it was bigger compared to the other genres. Maybe within the scene it has become bigger, but I'm not in the scene any more. Next to that I wonder if minimal was at the main stage or just in a tent.
Many festivals (eg Mysteryland) have several areas for different genres.

No, I seriously was asking to describe why it could be seen as huge. It might be my age, but everything like this Joris Voorn - Skyshopping always has been big in the (Dutch) clubscene.

I don't think Deephouse won't become huge, because it always has been around. But for a change it would be nice if it would, because I always liked deephouse too, just not as much as trance. To me a genre gets huge when it starts to more or less dominate a whole scene and also appears in the Top40. That happened with BBE, Underworld, Faithless, Moby, The Prodigy and even some Happy Hardcore tracks. That's what I call when it's getting HUGE.
It's just my view, so did minimal really get Huge or was it just a short rage. Maybe compared to the amount of minimal which was played other years it could be seen as huge, but not compared to the other genres.

I could be wrong, so please correct me. Everything is relative I guess....

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Originally posted by elFreak you only listen to one kind of music, therefore it would only be normal that you do not know what is in vogue or not.

For what I mainly listen now YES, next to the radio Top40 stuff. So you even could be right, no problem with admitting that. But I doubt if the people who called minimal huge have a clear overview relative to the other genres, which they probably also don't listen to.

Jumpstyle has become HUGE over here though....(although is more like happy hardcore and hardcore from the 90's)
It's huge, but won't be played at Dance Valley or Sensation...I guess...

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Wow, if one list at one festival in one year is all it takes to make a genre called HUGE.....

"in one year", if you actually followed the conversation you were a part of, you'd notice it was focused on the year 2005.
"one festival", you asked for information about its success in holland.. i checked out the line up for the biggest party in holland in 2005. and you're telling me that's not good enough evidence? fuck off.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I would like to see why it was bigger compared to the other genres..

which other genres? am i supposed to guess? let's see, how about death-polka? yeah, it was much bigger than death-polka.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Maybe within the scene it has become bigger, but I'm not in the scene any more.

so why are you here?

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Next to that I wonder if minimal was at the main stage or just in a tent. Many festivals (eg Mysteryland) have several areas for different genres.

it was on almost every stage at dance valley, with some stages practically devoted to the genre.

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Originally posted by RJT Ask and you shall receive.

narwhal tusks are on the nose... fail

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Originally posted by Psy-T "in one year", if you actually followed the conversation you were a part of, you'd notice it was focused on the year 2005. "one festival", you asked for information about its success in holland.. i checked out the line up for the biggest party in holland in 2005. and you're telling me that's not good enough evidence? fuck off.

No, it's not. If the same was happening a other festivals to it would be a start. Difficult to stay polite...

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Originally posted by Psy-T which other genres? am i supposed to guess? let's see, how about death-polka? yeah, it was much bigger than death-polka.

EDM, or other gernes played at eg Sensation, Dance Valley, Mysteryland, DefQon and Love Parade?

Dance Valley always was the softes on, so minimal would fit there best.

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Originally posted by Psy-T it was on almost every stage at dance valley, with some stages practically devoted to the genre.

I have read people want it in a seperate area. 2005 and 2006 was a 2day event, which people see as a failure. Bet that had an influence on the number of artists.

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it is a poll and we all know that they do not mean best or anything, but i am just trying to show captain oblivious that we are talking more than one festival here.

this is what the kind of people who don't read dj mag think

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We also know televoting is representable for what people believe is good (Idols, popstar, Eurovision)..... Besides most people don't read music mags.

I know there would be more than just one festival, but still even if there was a list of 20 artists at each festival playing minimal, would that mean it's huge without comparing it to something else?

I'm not against minimal at all, I just don't like it because my reaction on it is also very minimal.

Maybe if words like "minimal was at its highest in 2005" had been used, I wouldn't have asked for an explanation....

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Trance-MB reminds me of that kid on the playground who swears Santa Clause is real because his dad says so, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will get him to admit he's wrong.

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