"Why don’t I believe in God? No, no no, why do YOU believe in God? Surely the burden of proof is on the believer. You started all this. If I came up to you and said, “Why don’t you believe I can fly?” You’d say, “Why would I?” I’d reply, “Because it’s a matter of faith.” If I then said, “Prove I can’t fly. Prove I can’t fly see, see, you can’t prove it can you?” "
Originally posted by ken_lee
well to me god is real, eventhough i dont believe in him, just because so many others do and their act on gods behalf affect me directly as im part of humanity and the world. it seems i cant really put words on what i mean maybe someone could say it in a better way. and yes the world got pretty smaller when we discovered it was not the center. not in metres of course but in a sense of importance. harry potter isnt a real person (well maybe, i dont know) but harry potter does still exists. its a perfect example of what i mean but having a hard time explaining. example my GF wants to see harry potter on movie theatre. it affects me directly having to make my dinner myself that night. therefore harry potter isnt just a fantasy - its real. help me someone explain this better. another example; if it wherent for god id never been in a church playing an organ pipe because the church wouldnt be there. not to mention all the war and violence in the world. its real to me.
All you're saying is other people's beliefs and practice of said beliefs affects your life indirectly. That doesn't mean said belief is true, or, that the god they worship is real, simply because people around you worship it.
Jan-04-2011 08:36
MrJiveBoJingles
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.
Jan-04-2011 16:04
Comrade Stalin
Uncle Joe
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Purging Traitors
quote:
Originally posted by ken_lee
ok
ok, you don't make any sense? ok.
Jan-04-2011 17:47
Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%
Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
All you're saying is other people's beliefs and practice of said beliefs affects your life indirectly. That doesn't mean said belief is true, or, that the god they worship is real, simply because people around you worship it.
I think the point he's trying to make is that the concept of God is real and has a demonstrable impact on the human world. Essentially, whether or not a god exists is less important then the strength of belief in said god. It's a reasonable position to advance.
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Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down
Jan-04-2011 17:51
Comrade Stalin
Uncle Joe
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Purging Traitors
quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think the point he's trying to make is that the concept of God is real and has a demonstrable impact on the human world. Essentially, whether or not a god exists is less important then the strength of belief in said god. It's a reasonable position to advance.
Yea, the belief in god is real. What a deep insight......He's only stating the obvious.
Jan-04-2011 17:58
woscar
Starstuff
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Guatemala, Guatemala
quote:
Originally posted by Moongoose
ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION, a.k.a. TOMAS DE TORQUEMADA'S ARGUMENT
(1) See this bonfire?
(2) Therefore, God exists.
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Guatemala, Guatemala
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127. MRS. POPE'S ARGUMENT FROM CHOCOLATE
(1) Chocolate is God's gift to humanity.
(2) Therefore, God exists.
(3) Now class, would anyone like to attempt an Argument From Beer?
...He's only stating the obvious.
