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Clovis
techno jungle shit



Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
because by actually constructively criticizing music you make others defensive and insecure over the music they choose to enjoy.

taking music too seriously is the same as the jealousy/you do better/parents basement card.

napoleon syndrome.



Absolutely.


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iammesol
Burnt out and grown up



Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Atlanta, USA

It's taken too seriously because of the ultimate goal (unless you're rambling) of the criticism. It's like everyone is trying to form a "better" world of music. Because music taste is completely different for everyone, the criticism is only "bettering" the person that is criticizing. And frankly, that's pretty annoying if my music taste doesn't run along the same ground. I can't speak for anyone else, but feeling offended has nothing to do with my challenge of your criticism.

This is why I agree with the whole "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" deal. Listen to what you like and be happy. If someone is playing music that you don't like... don't listen to it. Why waste your time writing about how someone is doing something wrong just because you don't agree with it? Go listen/mix/create your own music that you enjoy.

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elFreak
Blood Diamonds and Salsa



Registered: Feb 2008
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then there would be no discussion on the topic..is this really better?

one of the principle goals of art is to incite a reaction be it positive or negative.


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iammesol
Burnt out and grown up



Registered: Mar 2004
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That was the only wall I ran into. lol

I guess it's so we get to know each others' interests. Still, no one HAS to be an asshole about it.

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elFreak
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Registered: Feb 2008
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i don't have to tell you prydz sucks, even if he does, it is just fun.


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iammesol
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Atlanta, USA



His transition from Fabric Test to our collab did suck pretty hardc0re at F12.

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r5a
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
i don't have to tell you prydz sucks, even if he does, it is just fun.
Awesome brain.


Anyway,
Have you guys seen the comments on the EM page? The mix is pretty well received.

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iammesol
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Registered: Mar 2004
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Of course it is... the majority of the edm world likes him

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elFreak
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the new lil wayne album is also heavily lauded.

move over mozart.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
It's taken too seriously because of the ultimate goal (unless you're rambling) of the criticism. It's like everyone is trying to form a "better" world of music. Because music taste is completely different for everyone, the criticism is only "bettering" the person that is criticizing. And frankly, that's pretty annoying if my music taste doesn't run along the same ground.

This is crap.

Criticism can lead to reevaluation of your tastes and exploration of music beyond what you listen to habitually. It can cause you to hear your same old favorite songs with a new perspective. It certainly has done this for me. Even if it's a person totally trashing something I like, I can at least attempt to see things from their point of view and look at my own listening choices from an outside perspective, which is often enlightening or at least interesting.

For those reasons, I think criticism is great.

But I think a lot of people do have a certain "don't rain on my parade" mentality, where they don't want to hear anything negative said about their favorite music. And I think at least part of this is a fear that they'll come to believe the critic is right, and that they'll start to see their former "favorites" as trite or boring or just uninspired, and they'll have to seek out new music to get back those wonderful feelings that those old favorites used to inspire.

I can agree, however, that there is such a thing as unhelpful criticism -- mindless stuff like "it sucks," or attacks on the personalities of the listener base, or stupid sayings like "you'll grow out of it" -- there's actually a whole lot of that on TA really. But there's also real, substantive criticism that can help people grow as music listeners and gain new perspectives, IMO.

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nefardec
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Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Criticism can lead to reevaluation of your tastes and exploration of music beyond what you listen to habitually. It can cause you to hear your same old favorite songs with a new perspective.
For those reasons, I think criticism is great.

But I think a lot of people do have a certain "don't rain on my parade" mentality, where they don't want to hear anything negative said about their favorite music. And I think at least part of this is a fear that they'll come to believe the critic is right, and that they'll start to see their former "favorites" as trite or boring or just uninspired, and they'll have to seek out new music to get back those wonderful feelings that those old favorites used to inspire.





one of my favorite quotes:

"To achieve sustainable innovation, you need to seek persistent disequilibrium. To seek persistent disequilibrium means that one must chase after disruption without succumbing to it or retreating from it"

(from kevin kelly's 'new rules for the new economy')

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iammesol
Burnt out and grown up



Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Atlanta, USA

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is crap.

Criticism can lead to reevaluation of your tastes and exploration of music beyond what you listen to habitually. It can cause you to hear your same old favorite songs with a new perspective. It certainly has done this for me. Even if it's a person totally trashing something I like, I can at least attempt to see things from their point of view and look at my own listening choices from an outside perspective, which is often enlightening or at least interesting.

For those reasons, I think criticism is great.

But I think a lot of people do have a certain "don't rain on my parade" mentality, where they don't want to hear anything negative said about their favorite music. And I think at least part of this is a fear that they'll come to believe the critic is right, and that they'll start to see their former "favorites" as trite or boring or just uninspired, and they'll have to seek out new music to get back those wonderful feelings that those old favorites used to inspire.

I can agree, however, that there is such a thing as unhelpful criticism -- mindless stuff like "it sucks," or attacks on the personalities of the listener base, or stupid sayings like "you'll grow out of it" -- there's actually a whole lot of that on TA really. But there's also real, substantive criticism that can help people grow as music listeners and gain new perspectives, IMO.



On point, sir.

I just get REALLY pissy when EVERYONE who criticizes either assumes the other person is doing the "rain on their parade" mentality when they're not, or they say something like "it sucks". For this, I stated my point.

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