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Originally posted by Ishkur That is a preset. Take two saw waves, overlay them, detune one 50 percent above the other, and run them through an ADSR envelope, with lots of attack and sustain. Save as a patch in Roland JP-8000 analogue modelling synthesizer. Pass around to Dutch friends. Import into Native Instrument's Pro 53 subtractive virtual synth. Fiddle around with minor chord progressions (chiefly D minor) until something uplifting occurs. Voila: A genre is born.

lol... i've never seen anyone talk so surely & steadfastly about something they clearly know absolutely nothing about.

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Ferry's System F, Albion and Gouryella productions predate them by several years. Who do you think Rank 1 got the "Airwave" sound from?

ferry didn't really favour using supersaws as pads; his strings were generally softer & more authentic. it wasn't until airwave that the 'superstring' really got popular... providing the influence for tiesto's silence remix.

and i'm pretty sure rank 1 came up with the sound themselves. they're more than competant enough in the studio and i'd doubt very much they'd resort to borrowing presets from ferry.

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Originally posted by BrenLuxor That was precisely the point I was trying to make, tracks such as Pacific State and Papue New Guinnea actually got recognition from the established music world at a time when the snobbery against 'rave' was tenfold that of todays. My point is that I cant imagen any tracks of recent times that are recognized for their 'musical and emetional' ability by those outside of 'dance music' circles. http://www.myspace.com/hybrasil

I've read a lot of music press from that era, and a lot of mainstream, rock-biased music mags didn't have any snobbery against rave/dance music. This could be thanks to artists like New Order, Primal Scream, the Happy Mondays and, to an extent, The Stone Roses embracing the new sounds of house (or pioneering them) as opposed to the genuine grass-roots dance acts.

Ishkur: Tiesto's mix of Silence is smouldering, bassy stuff for the most part and sounds significantly different to anything Ferry made. That it uses supersaws for the peak ("presets" that manage to sound different to any Ferry supersaw I've ever heard) does not make it clichéd in sound. I'd say the main reason it was so successful is that it combined atmospheric dance music with big, dramatic vocals and climax, where as Airscape's more uplifting mix (used as the Radio Edit too) was largely forgotten.

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Originally posted by Spartan Perpetous Dreamer - The Sound of Goodbye (Armins Tribal Mix) I just think the lyrics are stupid. Plain and simple as that.

+infinitarr

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Originally posted by paulandrews And now there are people talking about the ASOT generic stuff etc and it´s imo a nice parallel. I still think there are artists nowadays who´re pushing the genre and all the edm forwards.. Trance is not dead, nothing like that is happening right now, there are only people who are just bound to their musical beginnings (emotionally as well, that´s why because they can´t stand the world is changing without them and why they whine all the time).

Not all people are hung up on their musical beginnings. The first time I knowingly heard trance and headed to a trance event was 2002. I was 9 years old when Moby released Go to the world, and I didn’t hear it until 2003.

Some of us were just handed classic albums with amazing sounds that could be listened to and enjoyed, without having to hear it every day or even be told by Armin and co that it’s new and it’s great. Those tracks just were great.

To me and many of us who got the feel for trance before ASOT and co took over, today’s sound is not a patch on what used to be offered. It does sound forced, it does sound formulaic.

Above and Beyond are pathetic in my opinion, they’ve seen which tracks became the anthems, and all of their productions seem to follow that formula to a T… and no matter how perfected their production skills are, following a formula cannot create emotion. I feel absolutely nothing from an A&B track, because they are uninspired. Their focus is ON creating the anthems for today’s generation. That’s not art, and sadly for trance music, following the formula is working for them; they are one of the most revered trance acts in the world today.

I would like to know what trance artists are actually making tracks that are amazing that are ALSO getting the recognition? To me it doesn't seem to be working that way anymore. It is the mediocrity that is getting completely applauded.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Ishkur: Tiesto's mix of Silence is smouldering, bassy stuff for the most part and sounds significantly different to anything Ferry made. That it uses supersaws for the peak ("presets" that manage to sound different to any Ferry supersaw I've ever heard) does not make it clichéd in sound. I'd say the main reason it was so successful is that it combined atmospheric dance music with big, dramatic vocals and climax, where as Airscape's more uplifting mix (used as the Radio Edit too) was largely forgotten.

Actually, that synth sound used in the peak isn't that disimilar to that which Tangerine Dream were doing back in the 80s, maybe even 70s (haven't heard their material from the earlier decade, so I'm not sure).

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Originally posted by queen_vee I would like to know what trance artists are actually making tracks that are amazing that are ALSO getting the recognition? To me it doesn't seem to be working that way anymore. It is the mediocrity that is getting completely applauded.

Sander van Doorn, Rank 1, Jonas Steur, Ferry Corsten

in my humble opinion.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Sasha - Xpander

its WAY past is sell by date.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle its WAY past is sell by date.

It was never 'in date' in the first place. It was merely a cheap and pale reflection of the greatness that was Spooky - Little Bullet.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike It was never 'in date' in the first place. It was merely a cheap and pale reflection of the greatness that was Spooky - Little Bullet.

your starting to sound like TTA now

What are you talking about? tta used to bum Xpander HARD.