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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Shoo fly. Go do some research on an Israeli charter that matches Hamas' or something...

How about you go get some common sense and and sense of reality and then perhaps your tiny brain might just begin to see that Israel has killed more palestinians than hamas can even dream of killing israelis.

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Originally posted by Psy-T as though not having retaliated would've painted us as saints in their minds and would've stopped the rockets flying into sderot on a regular basis? you should shut the fuck up about the 'fucking itself in the ass by this', seeing as the only way in your mind israel wouldn't be 'fucking itself in the ass' is far, far, far more fucking specific than that, and would require a large number of changes, and not just the absence of retaliation.

Israel is fuckin itself from this war like the past.you people never learn do you?

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they can't afford food or fuel, yet rockets fit in their budgets perfectly?

you fuckin serious?what do you mean "they"? what does that have to do with the INNOCENT PEOPLE OF GAZA suffering?

you are killing everyone in the city because of Hamas?what a bunch of killers the IDF truly is.

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imagine your neighbouring country voted for an organization whose primary purpose is the destruction of your country. how should your country (or the world at large) react?

sounds like Israel actually.since they would love to see the Palestinians wipped off the map.No worries though they wont always be able to get away from their disgusting crimes against humanity.At some point they ll be stopped.

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Thanks for the insight guys.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer How about you go get some common sense and and sense of reality and then perhaps your tiny brain might just begin to see that Israel has killed more palestinians than hamas can even dream of killing israelis.

...and if your tiny brain could even comprehend that it's Hamas' fault for hiding behind those innocent people that voted them in power in the first place, you'd understand the irony and Hamas' plan perfectly...


/but I'm certainly not counting on it...

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Hezbollah is in.

Damn..

Edit: It seems now Hezbollah is denying any involvement, also the type of rockets and their amateurish launching points to a sporadic attack by Palestinians. Israel decided to leave it at a short firing back for the protocol and nothing beyond.

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Originally posted by Krypton The assertion that Israel notifies civilians by calling them to warn them of a strike is completely laughable. Have they done it before? Maybe in a few isolated instances. Does that excuse anything? NO. I didn't see those sources, can you repost them. I still think its completely bogus that Israel is warning all these civilians before they bomb some neighborhood.

:/ you already saw the quoted article in question and replied to it earlier:

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Originally posted by Krypton about the warning leaflets Oh thank you. That gives them such a warm and fuzzy feeling inside doesn't it? Leave your home because we're about to bomb the fuck out of it. Disgusting...

anyway, here's the source: http://in.reuters.com/article/world...-37272820090103

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Originally posted by Krypton WTF are they supposed to do anyways? How would you like to be called and told, "Leave your home immediately, we're about to bomb the fuck out it."

i'd like it a lot if i was in a state of war and i valued my life over my property.

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Originally posted by Krypton LOL, they don't buy their rockets. They produce them. And how the hell would they afford electricity or other basic services when they are being blockaded.

well, how about by selling those weapons they produce, that sounds like a decent moneymaking cow right there. since you seem to imply said production doesn't cost much of anything.

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Originally posted by Krypton Their economy is completely destroyed. With most young men unemployed,

and that's entirely israel's fault? even if we assume israel is absolutely at fault for any and all aggressions between itself and gaza, it was the people of palestine who elected the hamas - a party which is devoted to war in an extreme way, and claimed to be so from the begining. the palestinans knowingly chose a party which values destruction of israel far more than construction of gaza, hence i submit they themselves are largely to blame for the state of their economy and the percentage of unemployment.

also, i seem to recall reading in this thread about greenhouses and other such amenities that were left in gaza by the israelis, for the palestinians' use, and were destroyed and looted (lol) by those same palestinians.

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm surprised you guys have yet to figure out Israel's actions are simply convincing angry unemployed young men to fight the power which they perceive to be responsible for their destitute situation.

either you're not including me in "you guys", or your view is distorted. i fully realize that israel's actions will provoke more palestinians to take up jihad. the problem is, inaction from israel would lead to the very same result. i'll get back to this point later in this post.

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Originally posted by Krypton First off, I'd forcibly close down all Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Second, my aim would never be to "neutralize" Hamas. I would have thought by now, as smart as Israel's establishment is, they don't realize the futility of "neutralizing" a popular resistance movement especially when the underlying grievances are not addressed. Third, I'd reach some sort of truce with Hamas, end the blockade, and cease all missile strikes. Fourth, I'd give East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians (I believe Israel annexed the area in 1967). Fifth, I start compensating Palestinian families for their property losses. That's just a first step, and I'd do it unilaterally too.

wasn't the first part already taken care of in the disengagement?
as for the second, the underlying grievances of the hamas are israel's existence, not its actions or inactions, just its existence, the only way to address them is to engage in absolute self destruction.
the third: no real truce is possible with the hamas, it goes completely against their charter. yes, there have been so-called truces in the past, but during each of those, hamas kept firing at israel.
the fourth: again, so long as the hamas, or an organization with a similar charter is in power, it doesn't matter what concessions israel makes, it will remain a target for jihad. so why bother giving any more concessions?
fifth: i tend to think that one will happen regardless, at the formal end of the aggressions.

now note how you've said that those 5 actions are just the first step, and i assume that by that you realize that it wouldn't end all the aggressions, and it definitely wouldn't end the jihad.
again, so long as the hamas or an organization with a similar charter is in power, it won't matter how many concessions israel makes, so long as it exists.


and another thing about palestine's economy: http://news.google.co.uk/archivesea...range=1980,2006
it's a bit beyond my depth to start reading all of those results (and ones i'd find under better search terms), but in a broad stroke they seem to indicate that palestine has been receiving financial aid internationally, before the war 'broke out'. where did all that money go? was there any indication it was used for economic rebuilding? or maybe can we just assume it was spent on weaponry?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Israel is fuckin itself from this war like the past.you people never learn do you?

is that even supposed to be an argument? get a couple of brain cells functioning and get back to me then.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you fuckin serious?what do you mean "they"? what does that have to do with the INNOCENT PEOPLE OF GAZA suffering?

i mean the same "they" krypton mentioned as not having electricity and phone service. IF YOU READ THE ARGUMENT MAYBE YOU'D REALIZE THE CONNECTION IT HAS. wow, i can use caps lock too .

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you are killing everyone in the city because of Hamas?what a bunch of killers the IDF truly is.

fuck you, i'm not killing anyone. me != israel. me != the IDF.

but personally, i think that the civilians deserve what they get because they elected the hamas.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer sounds like Israel actually.since they would love to see the Palestinians wipped off the map.No worries though they wont always be able to get away from their disgusting crimes against humanity.At some point they ll be stopped.

you have an extremely fucking distorted view of reality, you don't even know what the organization you're supporting stands for. go read the hamas charter, and please fuck off until you have.

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There's something to be said for the fact that citizens are accountable for the governments they democratically elect. If Hamas was a dictatorship that would be one thing, but the catch-22 of a democracy is that the government is accountable to the people but the people are accountable for the government.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov There's something to be said for the fact that citizens are accountable for the governments they democratically elect. If Hamas was a dictatorship that would be one thing, but the catch-22 of a democracy is that the government is accountable to the people but the people are accountable for the government.

you gotta avoid this line of thinking, children are citizens too. given gaza's high birth rate they have a larger concentration of children.


and that un releif truck that got shelled was ridiculous, Israel knew the precise coordinates of its voyage, but still managed to murk it.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and if your tiny brain could even comprehend that it's Hamas' fault for hiding behind those innocent people that voted them in power in the first place, you'd understand the irony and Hamas' plan perfectly... /but I'm certainly not counting on it...

Still here?shouldnt be joining the rest of those IDF cowards to fight the evil terrorists in Gaza?

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Originally posted by Pst-T fuck you, i'm not killing anyone. me != israel. me != the IDF. but personally, i think that the civilians deserve what they get because they elected the hamas.

I personally think you are a typical zionist scumbag who doesnt give a fuck about the loss of civilians.Iam glad you finally admitted that.They deserve to get killed?wow and you want peace with them?think again.

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you have an extremely fucking distorted view of reality, you don't even know what the organization you're supporting stands for. go read the hamas charter, and please fuck off until you have.

Learn to read moron,when did I say I support Hamas?Just because I support the people of Gaza and Iam against the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians somehow makes me a Hamas follower?you are just like the rest of your zionist friends,making lies and blindly supporting the actions of your government.
Get lost and go join the rest of those IDF sheeps and kill some more innocnet Arabs in Gaza.

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