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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You can get all the B12 you need by not washing your veggies or eating a handful of soil every 5 years....

Ah, yes. If you can't get it from meat you can always get your B12 the good, old-fashioned way: from feces.

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Originally posted by Arbiter They are fortunate that their circumstances afford them the luxury of such inefficiency, but I suspect they would quickly find a different perspective should their circumstances cease to be so forgiving.

Probably, yes. Of course, this doesn't mean that the fluffy emotions generated by more luxurious circumstances are somehow "fake." People really do want to do more than just kill, eat, and fuck as much as they can before they die.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Ah, yes. If you can't get it from meat you can always get your B12 the good, old-fashioned way: from feces.

And how exactly do you think the meat gets B12 in it?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

red meat and pork is loaded with saturated fat. are some of you honestly still arguing that red meat & pork eaters are just as healthy as vegetarians?

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard And how exactly do you think the meat gets B12 in it?

I'd imagine that the meat contains B12 by means of the same mechanisms vegans propose to acquire their B12: coprophagia.

As a general rule, I'm in favor of cutting out the middleman but I'd say this is a rather atypical case. But hey, if you or other people would rather eat shit then be my guest.

The vegetarians I have known were pale and greasy. Two of them were also fat. Of course, they may have been this way before they became vegetarian.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The vegetarians I have known were pale and greasy. Two of them were also fat. Of course, they may have been this way before they became vegetarian.

well maybe they have low metabolism and bad genetics and always eat pasta and bread? lol

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Slylee red meat and pork is loaded with saturated fat. are some of you honestly still arguing that red meat & pork eaters are just as healthy as vegetarians?

I don't see why anyone's bothering to argue about the health issue. Meat is unhealthy. So fucking what? Drink, drugs and too much time in the sun are unhealthy as well. I'd rather cut 20-30 years of old age from my life and enjoy myself than live until I'm 120 and every second of that time be grey and unfulfilling.

As for the "eating meat is unnecessary and selfish" argument, that's the most hypocritical statement you can make in a vegetarian debate. Let me repeat myself: thousands and thousands of animals die so a vegetarian can live in the wealthy civilisation that allows them the freedom to regulate their diet and live without meat in the first place. You can't stop the blood on your hands, you can only minimise it. And if vegetarians really wanted to minimise the death, they'd leave their cushy existence and go live in the fucking woods. Or better yet, shoot themselves in the head.

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Originally posted by Slylee red meat and pork is loaded with saturated fat. are some of you honestly still arguing that red meat & pork eaters are just as healthy as vegetarians?

If they have a commensurate level of physical activity, then they're probably more healthy. If not, I wouldn't say that meat is their problem.

i'm not a vegetarian, i only just recently decided to significantly cut out my red meat and pork intake because i have digestive problems and skin problems and i'm seeing if it makes a difference.

i love a juicy ribeye steak or a burger, but i've decided to only treat myself to those things once every couple of months.

i also only buy organic chicken and cage free eggs, etc...

i was mainly referring to astroboy going on and on but he is forgetting that we're mainly talking about the meat packing industry in america (at least i was). the meat you get at the grocery stores and chain restaurants here is generally garbage and not healthy to eat on a regular basis. the animals are dealt with inhumanely and fed hormones.

it's a shame that places like whole foods and fresh market are so goddamn expensive.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

Vegetarianism won't make you live longer anyway, guys:

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A 1999 metastudy[22] combined data from five studies from western countries. The metastudy reported mortality ratios, where lower numbers indicated fewer deaths, for fish eaters to be .82, vegetarians to be .84, occasional meat eaters to be .84. Regular meat eaters and vegans shared the highest mortality ratio of 1.00. The study reported the numbers of deaths in each category, and expected error ranges for each ratio, and adjustments made to the data. However, the "lower mortality was due largely to the relatively low prevalence of smoking in these [vegetarian] cohorts". Out of the major causes of death studied, only one difference in mortality rate was attributed to the difference in diet, as the conclusion states: "vegetarians had a 24% lower mortality from ischemic heart disease than nonvegetarians, but no associations of a vegetarian diet with other major causes of death were established."[22] In "Mortality in British vegetarians",[23] a similar conclusion is drawn: "British vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population. Their death rates are similar to those of comparable non-vegetarians, suggesting that much of this benefit may be attributed to non-dietary lifestyle factors such as a low prevalence of smoking and a generally high socio-economic status, or to aspects of the diet other than the avoidance of meat and fish."[65]

You'll be less likely to die from heart disease, but you'll croak as soon as anyone else.

On the other hand, there is *actual evidence* for the benefit of long-term calorie restriction and alternate day fasting (eat one day, eat nothing the next) to longevity, at least in other mammals. So if you want to live longer, just eat nutritious foods and eat a *lot* less.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calori...erent_organisms