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Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by JEO
The Finns Party split in half today, with 20 members leaving and forming a new group, which makes 17 members left in the old group. This should enable this new group to be included in the little-changed cabinet, with only the dickhead and his lackeys left out, if I understood correctly.

Yeah, this just happened too like an hour ago. Wasn't expecting that.


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Zharen
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Registered: Mar 2003
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Originally posted by djshire
Surprised no one is talking about the real hero of UK politics, Lord Buckethead


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You're not overly wealthy, but you're a thousand miles from being poor. While I have no lack of respect for your understanding of politics and economics, particularly from an academic perspective, I think you sometimes lack lived-in experience in this kind of discussion.

You live practically on the banks of the river Thames, in an area where the average property price is almost four times the national average. You've never visited the majority of this country. You've only lived in the UK since 2012, so you've actually never even seen what this country is like outside of austerity. You talk about nationalisation of the railways, which is actually one of Corbyn's most popular policies across all demographics. It probably doesn't make sense to you because you've hardly ever caught a train in this country that wasn't the Tube or part of an airport transport link. Simply by living in a wealthy part of London, trust me when I say you're very much encased away from the normal living conditions of the majority of this country.


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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Before this election was called, was there any chance of her facing a confidence vote? She was sky high in the opinion polls and had the right wing tabloids firmly on her side. If she called an election out of fear of a potential collapse in party confidence in her, then she must really have no faith in the Brexit negotiations.

She really has single-handedly destroyed her own reputation and political career in the space of a month. It's a remarkable act of political suicide. She's surely a dead woman walking, DUP confidence or not. And frankly, she deserves everything she gets. The campaign she ran was arrogant, hubristic and intellectually insulting to the British public. I voted Labour, less out of faith in Corbynomics (although I would be interested to see what happens if we did smash up the neo-liberal economic consensus for five years, just for a change) and more as a protest vote against the kind of politics she enacted. The best thing that came out of this result was a giant Fuck You to Lynton Crosby, Paul Dacre and the gutter press tabloids in this country.


This is so spot on. I try to think back just 6-8 weeks and it seems unthinkable that May would be in a political fight for her life, and actually the opposite was true for Corbyn when all the polls were saying there's no chance of him doing well and when the "inevitable" Tory victory is announced, it will be the final nail in the coffin for Corbyn as leader of labour.

Going to your other point about timing, this was a power grab in terms of timing but they packaged it as Britain needing a government in place to see through the brexit as a change in party right around Brexit could be, as May described "catastrophic" for the UK. It was as you said to have the Tories fixed in place long enough to weather the possible economic downturn for brexit and would be hopefully on the upswing by then, giving her another term.

What a fucking backfire though. Labour ends up with considerable gains, Corbyn's place is certainly safe for now, and May might not make it through the next few months, made even worse by the DUP coalition as there's a fair few moderate conservatives that can't abide their social stances, not to mention it smacks of just grabbing the majority where you can, as Cameron did before.

A lot of it can be blamed on the manifesto which was shockingly bad, and resulting in the firing of the two main architects of it, but she hasn't helped herself by cosying up to trump, nor the results of her cuts to Mi5, the Police and the NHS coming home to haunt her so poignantly at the worst possible time (terror attacks, NHS cyber attack etc). Also, some of the interviews she gave were just staggeringly bad, from dodging questions on sky about whether a hard brexit was going to happen, to the "running through fields" debacle.

I'm not a particular fan of Corbyn, but I do feel he actually has the concern of everyday people, whereas May is just playing politics for her demographics.

I am happy that twat Farron stepped down though.

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Lews
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You're not overly wealthy, but you're a thousand miles from being poor. While I have no lack of respect for your understanding of politics and economics, particularly from an academic perspective, I think you sometimes lack lived-in experience in this kind of discussion.

You live practically on the banks of the river Thames, in an area where the average property price is almost four times the national average. You've never visited the majority of this country. You've only lived in the UK since 2012, so you've actually never even seen what this country is like outside of austerity. You talk about nationalisation of the railways, which is actually one of Corbyn's most popular policies across all demographics. It probably doesn't make sense to you because you've hardly ever caught a train in this country that wasn't the Tube or part of an airport transport link. Simply by living in a wealthy part of London, trust me when I say you're very much encased away from the normal living conditions of the majority of this country.


I definitely lack lived-in experience with this and many other similar discussions, as we've discussed before IRL. Not trying to say otherwise! I just meant to say I'm annoyed with the state of some of the public services, too

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That's Jack subtle way of saying that you're foreign born intellectual elite.

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
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I just meant to say I'm annoyed with the state of some of the public services, too


Yeah I can appreciate that, but to be dubious that large numbers of people in this country can genuinely get behind Corbyn's manifesto means you can't be feeling the cuts nearly as deeply as a whole lot of people.

To be honest, most of the austerity measures don't really affect me personally either, as:

1. I'm in good health.
2. I don't have any children.
3. I live in a low-crime area.
4. I earn unexceptional but very liveable money.

However, I know enough people who have been hit hard by them to shudder at the way this country has gone in the last seven years. The economy may have improved (although it's not hard to improve on rock bottom) but everything else seems to be falling apart.


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