If I may add,.. sometimes techy sounding tunes which focus more on beats than melodies such as tech trance can be thrown in regardless of the pervious tunes' keys.. reason being these tunes are not 'melody-intensive' (as I call it) and therefore won't really sound terrible if not in 'harmony' with the rest.

Of course, knowing your tunes is essential beforehand.
Not the best of advice but just thought I'd share it... for those who are still clueless about harmonics and their 'rules'.

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so lets get this right - its possible to mix these kind of tracks:

6a into a 3a
7a into a 4a

etc etc

what about major chords, does it still apply to them e.g can you mix a 6B into a 3B?

also what about the reversal can you mix a 3a into a 6a (not 6a into a 3a)

cheers

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular:

I am deeply thrilled that my thread has sparked this much enthusiasm and it is good to see that although the majority dismiss the value of this there are those of you who have taken it to hear.

My only boggle is this.
Instead of asking if one way or another sounds good, why don't you try it instead and you be the judge of whether it sounds good or not.
It's not always about conforming, sometimes it's about being experimental with it.
No one has ever taught me how to harmonically mix. It is something that I did naturally before 'I taught myself'the theory.

It's not that I mind giving anyone the information that they ask for but I think that you may be hurting yourself by the 'passive' approach to learning.

Go out and stand for something. Experiment, otherwise you will be one of they many DJ's who is just like the next.

Johnny2003
In answer to your question it's sometimes yes, sometimes no, depends on which octave the outgoing track compared to the incomming is in. It's actually quite a complicated answer to put into words.
Ultimately you should be able to hear if it's good or not. The ideal mix is that you should be getting a lift with this.

Cheers
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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Hey Dallas, I have checked through your list and as Kev Boy stated there are quite a few errors. Worth checking again but do it with an instrument if you are using detection software. The one track that stands out for me is Dogzilla's remix of So Damn beautiful. You have detected this right but not 100%. It's one of those tricky ones because it changes key after the intro from Bm to F# minor and again the outro changes too so heads up when mixing this one. On the whole your list has a lot of good entries but have a look through it again and see if you can learn from it. Marco V - Solarize goes in 4a (Fm) Cheers Nem

Thanks for your help, I use mix meister and each program tells me a different key for different songs.. I'm getting very confused!
Any other ways besides using an instrument?? I only have a keyboard but I'm not too familiar with every key, only the easy ones like Am Dm and G#m .. haha
Thanks again.

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one more question:

when i use fs2 theres a unit called 'key'
i analyze the mp3 , but the key is never revealed.. any ideas?

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Could we PLEASE organize a TA list of songs w/ their keys? That would be really great. These programs are not very accurate and the web-sites have mixed answers and I think that having a list by TAers who are experienced with this would be really great.

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dan--just a reminder, rapid evolution's main purpose is not as an automatic key detector, but a tool to determine this info yourself, and then to be able to see what songs can be made in key and how, and then save information about mixes you come up with, while at the same time conveniently sharing this info... (whew, one big run-on sentence!)

the one thing i hope, with all the websites, programs and postings, is that people don't become dependent on other people's key info... :-/

Lads,
I am loving this discussion! Good to see people are not just sticking to mixing perfectly in key! It does create mood changes by going from say Am to Cm.
I heard an interview with Oakenfold once where he said he can create any mood change he wants by going from one particular key to another, he can PREDICT what is going to happen on the dancefloor! I thought that this was amazing an then became obsessed with it myself! I sat down and listened to every single Oakenfold mix, and keyed every tune, and I have every mix he has done since 1998, and a few before! I then listened to the affect that going from one tune to another had on me, and noted what key change it was, and concluded that these key changes must have a similar affect on everyone, if what subconciously. I now do the same where you can pick your next tune by selecting the appropriate key, and have the knowledge of what will happen next!
Took a while to do this, and you have to be very careful mixing out of key, as I am talking about here. As we all know that mixing too incompatible chords on top of each other sounds horrible! So care and practise is needed! But say going from Am to Bm can lift you up, and remember the opposite also, Bm to Am. I am basically saying that you can mix any two keys together and create amazing mood changes, but be careful!!!!!!
I've heard 00 Fleming CDs and he mixes from Am to Cm and vice versa etc all the time. Alot of the mood changes are very subtle e.g. going from Bm to Gm compared with Bm to Dm. It doesn't always work, and can be more difficult to do there and then, but a bit of practise will help, and you can always mix percussion until the bassline/melody takes over to avoid clashes.

Keep up the good work lads

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 This isn't aimed at anyone in particular: I am deeply thrilled that my thread has sparked this much enthusiasm and it is good to see that although the majority dismiss the value of this there are those of you who have taken it to hear. My only boggle is this. Instead of asking if one way or another sounds good, why don't you try it instead and you be the judge of whether it sounds good or not. It's not always about conforming, sometimes it's about being experimental with it. No one has ever taught me how to harmonically mix. It is something that I did naturally before 'I taught myself'the theory. It's not that I mind giving anyone the information that they ask for but I think that you may be hurting yourself by the 'passive' approach to learning. Go out and stand for something. Experiment, otherwise you will be one of they many DJ's who is just like the next. Johnny2003 In answer to your question it's sometimes yes, sometimes no, depends on which octave the outgoing track compared to the incomming is in. It's actually quite a complicated answer to put into words. Ultimately you should be able to hear if it's good or not. The ideal mix is that you should be getting a lift with this. Cheers Nem

cheers - i kinda picked that up