i think the fact that the first person who posted this thread is saying that Interstate - I Found You is becoming worse because its being played more just really nullifies his arguement. i personally don't think that track is too amazing, but its somewhat creative and original. the quality of a track does not degrade over the number of times it is played.

i dunnno. also on probspot. i can't say his productions are of low quality. yes his soudns are recycled. but please pick apart his songs piece by piece. being that i've started producing, i've been doing that with a lot of songs. his arrangement, use of sounds, melodies, layering, is all very very good. i dunno, once i started producing, i've begun appreciating tracks more and more, even though they may sound generic and boring. i always listen and say, "damn, thats a crazy sound effect, or, cool drum pattern" etc. etc. much respect for all these producers mcprog or not because its not easy at all.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J My point. The percieved superiority in this case being that underground music is percieved as being better because it is not mainstream.

That's generally true, but not always. For example, you hear people spout off about Kraftwerk all the time, but how many of those know of Cluster, Parmegiani, Can, or Faust? A lot of people consider those guys to be better than Kraftwerk production wise. The underground always shapes music more than the popular, Kraftwerk included. However simply because say...Funky or French House is more popular than Deep House doesn't make Deep House any better. Contradictory to what most of its fans will tell you.

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Originally posted by Plastick Who are u to do this assumption? I hope u've heard of this saying: Assumption is the mother of fuck ups! Better taste? How about sharing with us which 10 judges ure gonna pick to judge your taste in music, whether it's good or bad.

Helloooo? This is still about the quality of their productions, which I would define as "crap", something you can't seem to argue.

Assumption? Yeah, I'm assuming that the reason people listen to McProg is because it's forced upon them by GDJB/ASOT, just like major record labels and commercial music stations force people to listen to pop music. Yeah, I guess it's an assumption, though it it's pretty obvious that that's the way it is.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Radagast That's generally true, but not always. For example, you hear people spout off about Kraftwerk all the time, but how many of those know of Cluster, Parmegiani, Can, or Faust? A lot of people consider those guys to be better than Kraftwerk production wise. The underground always shapes music more than the popular, Kraftwerk included.

I don't know, I'm not really sure what Ory's opinion on Kraftwerk is. The mainstream/underground subject isn't set in stone, there isn't one rule that always applies. You would be an elitist if you automatically assumed underground music is better than mainstream music, which of course isn't always true.

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Originally posted by trancinchink much respect for all these producers mcprog or not because its not easy at all.

Maybe not the first time (though it probably is, since most of them follow others). But the second time they're about to make a track, they just go by the same formula, and just change some minor stuff. After a while it'd become routine, I'd imagine.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't know, I'm not really sure what Ory's opinion on Kraftwerk is. The mainstream/underground subject isn't set in stone, there isn't one rule that always applies. You would be an elitist if you automatically assumed underground music is better than mainstream music, which of course isn't always true.

My opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter, nor does my opinion on what else did and did not "shape the genre". What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ory Helloooo? This is still about the quality of their productions, which I would define as "crap", something you can't seem to argue.

Seriously, WHY SHOULD I? Simple! U're not me and I'm not u! We've got different taste. U're saying like u've made tonnes of reasons why u'll define it as 'crap'. I don't see a reason for me to put off a certain style of edm as crap if I enjoy it.
Holy fuck, I can't believe I have to resort in putting this in the least intelligent way ever possible.

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Originally posted by Ory What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

there's actually some verity in this...

i can name many a trance track/producer for instance from 1993 or thereabouts that sound much better than the fluffy anjuna crap being released today...

Liking something that's poorly produced, unimaginative, unoriginal blah blah blah... = bad taste. Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ory My opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter, nor does my opinion on what else did and did not "shape the genre". What matters is what producers are doing today to push new sounds.

It doesn't to your argument, it would do if Radagast's point was relevant to you.

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Of course his opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter. What I used is called an analogy.

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