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Trance-M
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by stevësto
i looked back at this thread:

http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...threadid=328698

and you're right the lineup complaints came from every country except holland.

so trance is not the most popular form of dance music currently in holland? but it was just mentioned earlier in the thread by a few people that trance is strong as ever in europe. NL is like the last fort stronghold of trance. if we lose NL, trance is surely doomed. shit.



I think in general the Dutch are more open minded. Although I like Trance most, I also liked Happy Hardcore, Eurodance, some Hardcore, Rave, German Techno, Club House and all Belgium style stuff (Bonzai, Cherrymoon).

Years ago I predicted that Trance could grow huge, but maybe it shouldn't have got that popular. So some can call it dead, but maybe it is going towards the size were only the real addicts remain.

Last weekend was Love Parade 2006 in Berlin, 1,200,000 visitors. A 6 hours drive form Holland.
But in the same weekend also was Dance Valley, 12,000 visitors at friday and 42,000 at Saterday.
Same weekend also Extrema Outdoor with 25,000 visitors was sold out.
And last 5 Days Off had 12,000 visitors.

There are only about 16 million Dutch.

So like a cola commercial says: Strong taste for such a small country (100 km width, 300 km long)


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Old Post Jul-20-2006 20:13  Netherlands
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isoterra
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Nottingham, UK

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You have to admit that it's really dropped in popularity over six or seven years.


oh definitely... i never doubted that. but i think it's a while away from dying just yet.

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DJ NEMESIS
Ex trance slayer



Registered: May 2001
Location: Vancouver/Canada/Earth

quote:
Originally posted by G-Con
The reason I posted what I said is because you repeatedly criticise people on here for moaning/complaining/worrying about the trance scene but not doing anything about it.

I don't believe I have criticised people for moaning or complaining.. the part where I criticise people is when they make a point of having a defeatist attitude saying/thinking nothing can be done because it's just not true. It's nonsense to think that the people on this board can get Mikey Mike nearly onto the top 100 DJs list, but that making any difference to the state of the trance scene is unachievable.
quote:
You talk about finding ways to support local scene, to change things, to make a difference, but you don't come up with any examples of how we could do this. So like Paul Andrews said, you are an idealist, but in practical terms you are being unrealistic.

Correction.. I haven't yet MENTIONED specific ideas to improve things. But I'm not the type to go bolting out in the open with my balls out, cock in hand, with all my cards lying conveniently on the table.
Believe me there is nothing unrealistic about improving things from the mess they are in now, in fact there's more room than ever for improvement because of how damaged shit is in many ways. Getting everyone's attention and interest and getting them on the same page is the first thing needed though. I'm sure you could agree with that. Strength in numbers bitches!

There's an old chinese proverb that goes "if you bolt out blindly in the open with balls out, cock in hand, you may encounter a thorn bush."


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isoterra
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Nottingham, UK

no matter how much motivational talk there is, there's realistically only one person i can think of that has the power to change the direction of trance at the moment. that's if you're under the false pretense that trance has a single direction

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sterilis
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Registered: May 2005
Location: Belfast/Ibiza/Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by isoterra
oh definitely... i never doubted that. but i think it's a while away from dying just yet.


tbh like any music popularity will deteriorate but music never dies out you ill always have some people who will play it to the death. happy hardcore is a perfect example.


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DJ NEMESIS
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Vancouver/Canada/Earth

The state of the music itself is only one side of the coin may I remind you. The other boils down to the people in the scene. I know for a fact things I personally can do to help both sides of the coin and many of those things are things that most people are just as able to do. You guys have to realize the trance scene is like one big ecosystem. Sometimes even little details can throw everything out of whack, or improve things.


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I enjoy the 140 bpm music personally, that hyper excited feel is quite fun. The slower stuff is kinda dull to me, I get bored at the clubds around here when that stuff is playing, and so do most other people apparently, it is usualy used as an opening set before a DnB DJ comes on, people flail like idiots to DnB and just kinda stand around drinking beer when this boring proggy crap is playing.

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GoSpeedGo!
no more Mr. Nice Guy



Registered: May 2006
Location: Eisenstein's laboratory

quote:
Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS
I don't believe I have criticised people for moaning or complaining.. the part where I criticise people is when they make a point of having a defeatist attitude saying/thinking nothing can be done because it's just not true. It's nonsense to think that the people on this board can get Mikey Mike nearly onto the top 100 DJs list, but that making any difference to the state of the trance scene is unachievable.


Donīt compare the whole trance scene to a stupid poll (no matter how 'big' it is)! The scene and the society is so complex and affected by so many things that itīs almost impossible to change it notably right here, with words, even if the whole TA board united. Youīre a dj, me too. I know that everyone of us wants to have preferably the biggest audience, we want a huge number of people listen to our music, to our vision of it. Even though the chance we will really influence something is pretty small, we have this best way to do it. Try to change things actively, carefully select the best of todays (trance) music and present it in your own way. I donīt know what secret plans you have, but I donīt think there is a better way than this one.


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ders07
tranceaddict in training



Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Melbourne, Victoria, AUS

I believe that the sheer magnitude of this thread proves that trance isn't totally dead,we all still love it when it is produced well, I know I do. ALTHOUGH that doesn't happen as frequently these days, it still happens. Labels such as Anjunabeats and the Anjunadeep off shoot are producing supurb progressive trance that has a sophistication that the genre craaaaves, I can't stress that enough.

However, I am willing to concede that we are a rarity. Like someone earlier stated, electro is en vogue at the moment. Personally I like it when, as Nemesis pointed out, it is geared towards progressive house with those electro style stabs and synths. But that is not popular 2006 electro people. 2006 club electro is inane, monotonous commercial remake queer eye for the straight guy piffle. I apologise for such strong sentiments but I love dance music too much to see new people introduced to it through such a terrible medium. Aalto- 5, for example (again Anjunabeats) is a great example of trance utilising the electro sound, and I really belive that it works. Youve still got the great ambient soundscapes of trance, over a very addictive and danceable percussive layout. Personally I'd rather electro find it's way into progressive trance than onto my top 40 radio. Desyn Masiello- Balance 008 was a great example of high quality electro/progressive house.

Where am I going with all this? We've all seen interviews of Armin, PVD etc who firmly refuse to be classified as 'trance' djs, even though they obviously are, predominantly. But, and this is my two cents here people, what if there was a way of incorporating trance into dj sets playing, say, house music? Because the change needs to occur at club level, and I do agree that although I can't get enough raving done in a night, it isn't for everyone, ESPECIALLY girls, without being sexist. I'm not a dj myself, but if i was a progressive or house dj, even an elctro dj, I would certainly be throwing in a few slower trance tunes later in the night when the crowd is moving. I think in that environment and played at a carefully thought out time, punters would 'see the light' so to speak, more specifically be reminded of the power of trance music.
Yes, producers need to start producing it, but, what needs to be recognised is that if and when trance becomes a more profitable genre, the proverbial heavens will open with quality trance.

For that to occur, I hate to say it but the age of exclusive trance CLUBS are over. The smaller environment paves the way for more guy/girl interaction, which is very difficult when listening to trance. After all, honestly, what after dancing do people go clubbing for? djs that are passionate about trance should, for humour's sake, give a few trance songs a try in their sets. Not anthem trance, but more subtly coersive trance that could fit in with the style of music being played. Personally I don't understand why it hasn't been mentioned before this; even though I more than understand the difficulty involved. But all you jocks reading this, pleeeeease give it a try, I am convinced that if you slow down the bpm and choose your tracks wisely, perhaps some Luminary or other progrssive vocal'ers, people will enjoy it.

If this doesn't occure then trance will probably have to settle for the occasional epic stadium style events, which will always be big. But, if we truly want to see trance alive and kicking in our clubs again, it has to be part of a collective of dance music styles, and not just exclusively trance.

Those are my thoughts guys, critique away!

DERS

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DJ NEMESIS
Ex trance slayer



Registered: May 2001
Location: Vancouver/Canada/Earth

quote:
Originally posted by paulandrews
Donīt compare the whole trance scene to a stupid poll (no matter how 'big' it is)! The scene and the society is so complex and affected by so many things that itīs almost impossible to change it notably right here, with words, even if the whole TA board united. Youīre a dj, me too. I know that everyone of us wants to have preferably the biggest audience, we want a huge number of people listen to our music, to our vision of it. Even though the chance we will really influence something is pretty small, we have this best way to do it. Try to change things actively, carefully select the best of todays (trance) music and present it in your own way. I donīt know what secret plans you have, but I donīt think there is a better way than this one.

I didn't compare the trance scene to a poll. Just made reference to (sadly) the only big notable thing I have seen come from the users on this site trying to specifically accomplish something big together. People as a group make a BIG difference. There are a LOT of users and nearly twice as many guests that frequent here. It's all in the butterfly effect. One person is quite able to influence 10 people, or a hundred people etc.. and in the same sense 100 people are able to influence 1000 and so forth. Everything starts somewhere it's like the saying goes.. Rome wasn't built in a day!

Anyone who doesn't think they can make a difference either has a loser mentality or a lack of confidence. It's the one guaranteed way you will NEVER make a difference.

Simply playing the best trance music you can get ahold of won't really do much in the grand scheme of things.. and it won't make a difference how good your records are if you have no one to play them to as well due to the nights shutting down because of lack of support! If you have the chance to play great trance to a lot of people on a regular basis then you'll be of course making more of a difference. But this is one of the key issues. Trance DJs no longer have enough places left to play due to trance promoters not having enough support to keep their nights going or secure new nights. Trance culture is being brushed aside, laughed at, and it's enthusiasts treated as social outcasts! Do you guys really want to take it lying down?


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Old Post Jul-21-2006 09:38  Canada
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ders07
tranceaddict in training



Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Melbourne, Victoria, AUS

please take a look at my post on page 28, reallt interested to see what people have to say, as I'd say its time for the solutions to begin being theorised.

Old Post Jul-21-2006 09:45  Australia
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G-Con
aka Greg Nicot



Registered: Jun 2006
Location: England

quote:
Originally posted by DJ NEMESIS
I didn't compare the trance scene to a poll. Just made reference to (sadly) the only big notable thing I have seen come from the users on this site trying to specifically accomplish something big together. People as a group make a BIG difference. There are a LOT of users and nearly twice as many guests that frequent here. It's all in the butterfly effect. One person is quite able to influence 10 people, or a hundred people etc.. and in the same sense 100 people are able to influence 1000 and so forth. Everything starts somewhere it's like the saying goes.. Rome wasn't built in a day!

Anyone who doesn't think they can make a difference either has a loser mentality or a lack of confidence. It's the one guaranteed way you will NEVER make a difference.

Simply playing the best trance music you can get ahold of won't really do much in the grand scheme of things.. and it won't make a difference how good your records are if you have no one to play them to as well due to the nights shutting down because of lack of support! If you have the chance to play great trance to a lot of people on a regular basis then you'll be of course making more of a difference. But this is one of the key issues. Trance DJs no longer have enough places left to play due to trance promoters not having enough support to keep their nights going or secure new nights. Trance culture is being brushed aside, laughed at, and it's enthusiasts treated as social outcasts! Do you guys really want to take it lying down?


Nemesis you've just pointed out why even if DJ's like yourself take the time to select only the highest quality trance tunes to play to people it still won't help cause there aren't enough people to play to.

So my question again. What are we suppose to do? I'm not a defeatist. I just don't believe there is anything that can be done. Genre's rise and fall. Trance has risen, now its falling. The vast majority of people that loved trance no longer like it. They are bored and have moved on to other things.

I know you keep saying you've got ideas but don't want to reveal them just yet but I'm fairly certain that whatever you're ideas are, they will be completely flawed in more ways than one. Why not share with us what you're idea is. I'd love to hear it and I hope its actually a really good way of reviving the scene but I doubt this very much


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