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Originally posted by El K Dee so all those atheists who say they are all based on science and fact and all.... does homosexuality scientifically make sense? oh wait...touchy subject? lets get into that...please

its only touchy when the priest gets close to me...*sheds tear*

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Originally posted by Rodrico its only touchy when the priest gets close to me...*sheds tear*

oh u poor thing....*pats head*

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Originally posted by El K Dee so all those atheists who say they are all based on science and fact and all.... does homosexuality scientifically make sense? oh wait...touchy subject? lets get into that...please

Are you serious? Modern research is all but unanimously in agreement of the fact that homosexuality is not a choice. Are you really that ignorant? Or brainwashed?

FYI I have no personal stake in the matter. I'm not gay and I don't have any gay family or close friends. But I do believe that modern religion's treatment of homosexuality causes a great deal of suffering.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot I'm not just trying to trash religion for its attempt to explain supernatural events; I'm also trashing it for causing irrational and damaging behaviour among the general public.

Once again, where's your evidence? You can't just assert something like that and carry on as if it were a fundamental truth.

Bear in mind that in order for your point to be valid, you not only have to prove that religion is directly linked to this "damaging behaviour", but also that it is/was a cause and not merely an after-the-fact justification. And to wrap it up, you're going to have to show us that it isn't responsible for any of the good things that people have done, or at least that the bad outweighs the good.

In other words, you have to convince us that all of the good things people do in the name of religion would have been done anyway, but all of the bad things done in the name of religion would never have occurred otherwise. You have your work cut out for you!

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot ...But I do believe that modern religion's treatment of homosexuality causes a great deal of suffering.

And you don't think that this just might have something to do with a lack of prior exposure combined with an innate prejudice against those that are different from us? It's all or mostly religion's fault?

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probably completely off topic and irrelevant but I'm way to lazy to read through all these posts, but the observer effect on the quantum level is blowing my mind so much right now i can't help but comment on it.

The morals and values that come with religion is a great way to live one's life however religion divides people rather than bringing them together.

I believe in God but could care less about religion.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot Are you serious? Modern research is all but unanimously in agreement of the fact that homosexuality is not a choice. Are you really that ignorant? Or brainwashed?

Hey I dont care if someone is homosexual or not but if you want to bring up scientific ignorance on the part of us theists because everything you believe in has been proven and has a reason behind it.

Then you SHOULD also state that homosexuals are mentally challenged since biologically a male and female are only compatible physically/sexually for the purpose of reproduction etc etc.

Now...We all know that homosexuals are not mentally challenged. Sexual orientation is based on the BELIEF of what an individual perceives as what they are attracted to. Whether heterosexual or homosexual.

You question my ignorance and call me brainwashed. Just see how you, yourself beat around the bush just blindly saying something like this:

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But I do believe that modern religion's treatment of homosexuality causes a great deal of suffering.

Yes all we live for is just stoning homosexuals and coming up with ways to ruin their lives


This thread really ends here. Just because of a few annoying sects of Christianity that try to shove their ideas towards a few of you (hey they even try to shove them on me cos I'm in "the wrong faith"), you atheists really believe its wise to attack all of us by something offensive like that stupid ad which really does nothing BUT that and is all it really is meant for.

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Originally posted by El K Dee Then you SHOULD also state that homosexuals are mentally challenged since biologically a male and female are only compatible physically/sexually for the purpose of reproduction etc etc.

Despite this, homosexuality has been seen amongst humans and in the animal kingdom for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. Animals do not have the reasoning capacity that humans do, and without that, it's impossible to argue that homosexuality is a choice on the part of the animal. Physical attraction to another human, whether male or female, is an instinct, not a choice.

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Originally posted by Skipper Despite this, homosexuality has been seen amongst humans and in the animal kingdom for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. Animals do not have the reasoning capacity that humans do, and without that, it's impossible to argue that homosexuality is a choice on the part of the animal. Physical attraction to another human, whether male or female, is an instinct, not a choice.

not that I'm disagreeing with you but your totally contradicting yourself within your statement.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot FYI I have no personal stake in the matter. I'm not gay and I don't have any gay family or close friends. But I do believe that modern religion's treatment of homosexuality causes a great deal of suffering.

Agreed!

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Originally posted by Pett not that I'm disagreeing with you but your totally contradicting yourself within your statement.

...how so?

oh puh-lease. I study sexuality and can tell you both from my studies AND from experience from friends and such that it is NOT a choice.


Do you REALLY think that a man is going to CHOOSE to live a lifestyle that proves to be ten times more difficult for him? Remember that not all gays live in an open-minded, liberal environment, and even when they DO (ie: nyc, san fran, etc...)it still proves a very difficult lifestyle. Even in these places, there is discrimination.

My friend once said that if he had a choice, he would DEFINITELY choose to be attracted to women because he would not have to go through the trauma of: dissapointing and alienating certain people in his life, losing the "respect" of his church and fellow church-go-ers, the dissappointment of not having a biological child with a woman, the teasing, the threats, the general way in which society treats gays, etc.....

seriously, think about this.

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