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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You're right, it is a book. Perhaps you would prefer to read the 32 peer reviewed journal articals that came from the study instead.... I read both. Predictably, I found the journal articles more informative, as they omit Campbell's conjecture and opinion; however, the data is the same and the conclusions are ultimately the same... the book is more accessable for most though.

eeuuuuggh, I'd rather not. I already spend too much time reading journals on certain medications and cardiovascular disease, but I have no doubt that they would show far less bias than the book

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As for the "eating meat is unnecessary and selfish" argument, that's the most hypocritical statement you can make in a vegetarian debate. Let me repeat myself: thousands and thousands of animals die so a vegetarian can live in the wealthy civilisation that allows them the freedom to regulate their diet and live without meat in the first place. You can't stop the blood on your hands, you can only minimise it. And if vegetarians really wanted to minimise the death, they'd leave their cushy existence and go live in the fucking woods. Or better yet, shoot themselves in the head.

This is a good point. Sadly, 9/10 people wouldn't grasp this if you tried to explain it to them.

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Originally posted by Fledz This is a good point. Sadly, 9/10 people wouldn't grasp this if you tried to explain it to them.

Basically yes.

I believe that if you want to argue something to someone else you should at least have a decent understanding of it, and there aren't many proselytizing vegetarians who have a reasonable understanding of economics.

My answer is; for dietary/taste reasons. However my answer for why it's ok is simply because they are far less intelligent. Just because something looks sad when it gets poked doesn't mean we shouldn't do that. That's just a human emotion, we should be above that. Ethics for humans shouldn't have anything to do with ethics for animals. If people took the lets not kill any organisms whatsoever approach then that'd just let pests take over the world and eat all our crops.

If someone doesn't eat meat because they can't think about how that meat has to die for it to be on the table, then basically they are a pussy (even if they are a girl, even girls should be better than that), but at least they aren't delusional. I put proselytizing value based vegetarians on the same level as Christians. Ultimately can be quite smart, but ultimately also delusional or at the very least misguided.

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That basically sums it up

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Originally posted by Slylee red meat and pork is loaded with saturated fat. are some of you honestly still arguing that red meat & pork eaters are just as healthy as vegetarians?

With caloric content not exceeded per day of course red meat and pork is a more viable and healthy diet.

if you have to get all your nutrients from tens of different types of food sources you're not going to get your full nutrient requirements as a vegetarian attempts to do.

I remember my biology teacher once said to our class that the most nutrient rich meat to eat that would suffice us would be human meat.

This is since it already contains the nutritional requirements we need.

think about that for a second and ponder as to why we cannot digest cellulose like a cow.


There is a reason why the meat eating apes survived over the vegetarian ones and thus our lineage was formed.

BBQ sauce just dosent go with things like it does with a slaughtered and carved animal.

Honestly how is it not murder for an animal to kill another animal in the name of food? Oh wait some of the Vegans are actually dumb enough to hop in and try to stop it before it happens.

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Originally posted by Fledz When I was little I always kept saying I would be the President of Croatia. When it eventually happens, I expect your vote Though if that were to ever happen, the types of radical changes that I would want to make would probably result in me being assassinated within the first term

Make sure to give me advance notice if you ever do plan to take power in Croatia, i will do a takeover of power here, then we can work out the quarrels between our two countries like any two respectable civilised dictators would...over a good pint of beer in a pub (with one eye on a football match preferably) not like these aholes on both sides do now when nothing gets done

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Originally posted by Imagin BBQ sauce just dosent go with things like it does with a slaughtered and carved animal.

replace BBQ with A1 and you make an outstanding point.

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Originally posted by lücid replace BBQ with A1 and you make an outstanding point.

replace A1 with Heinz 57 and you make an outstanding point.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

I just wanted to thank the c0r for all the interesting conversations and feedback...

Because I just got my paper back and I got a 94 fucking %.

WOOT!

Kthxbye.

did you write that most of us love it?

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Originally posted by Ian did you write that most of us love it?

My paper was about the different justifications for meat eaters. I did actually use some of the information from this thread (like the fact that most people take an anthropocentric/egocentric standpoint).

I am happy with my mark