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Originally posted by colonelcrisp comparing the failure of a weld joint between two structural steel components due to thermal expansion vs a joint failure in a structural steel structure due to heat expansion / yield strenght loss due to excessive heat is very comparable... at no point did i say i was comparing a ski lift to a 50 story building... pull your head out of your ass.... and as usual.... you fall back to youtube to make up for your lack of understanding..... you truthers would not be able to survive without the skillz of of copypasta and trite you post from youtube...... grow up

Yes but these weld joints are present in very different conditions, one is on a ski lift under cold temperatures and the other is under heat isolated in a high rise building.

Comparing buildings which are nearly identical and of the same conditions (fire) would be a better assessment. Of course none of the following below collapsed and crumbled to the ground like WTC7. World Trade Building 7 is the only building to ever do so in history.



The One Meridian Plaza Fire


The Windsor Building Fire


Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire

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yeah, im sure you and all your expertise really explored the thousands of pages therein. jesus, you're not even pretending anymore

NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/.../wtc082108.html

Check.

You really want to go through a few thousand pages of bull shit?

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Originally posted by culorut The One Meridian Plaza Fire The Windsor Building Fire Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire

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Originally posted by culorut Comparing apples to oranges again.

do you see how cretinrot enforces different rules than he is willing to abide by himself? hilarious.

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Originally posted by culorut I posted that video to show that Larry Silverstein slipped up, he went on air and said "we decided to pull it". (world trade building 7) As for the insurance policy, Apr 26, 2001 – The Port Authority, authorized by Lewis M. Eisenberg, (left Goldman Sachs after affair) decided to privatize the WTC, and lease it to Silverstein Properties. (In 1995, Pataki ran for Governor promising he would help privatize the WTC). Jul 24, 2001 – Six weeks before 911, Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, Inc. (retail part) took control of a 99 year, $3.2 billion lease of the WTC. Silverstein was the 2nd place bidder. Vornado Realty was the 1st place bidder. He withdrew when they wouldn’t agree to a shorter lease period. This deal was the richest real estate deal in NYC history, and yet a bargain for Silverstein. Three Interesting Issues: 1)The buildings were immediately insured for $3.5 billion, and covered for “terrorist attacks”. 2)“Explicitly included in the agreement was that Silverstein and Westfield were given the right to rebuild the structures if they were destroyed. http://www.realestatejournal.com/re...3-starkman.html 3)After 911, he sued for $7.2 (double the original amount he insured the buildings for) claiming two separate incidents. In the end, he was paid approximately $4.5 billion, as the judge agreed, in the end, that it was two separate occurrences. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...n&printable=yes

If I ever saw a jump to conclusion, this is it. Once again, using giant leaps of logic, to prove...nothing...

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Originally posted by culorut Yes but these weld joints are present in very different conditions, one is on a ski lift under cold temperatures and the other is under heat isolated in a high rise building. Comparing buildings which are nearly identical and of the same conditions (fire) would be a better assessment.

I was comparing two MICRO causes (ie the effects of extreme heat or extreme cold on a weld) also known as failure modes..... ie if i break a toothpick on top of mount fuji, and i break a toothpick in death valley california, even though the geographic location was different, the failure mode was identical (the toothpick broke)

now your trying to say MACRO causes are the same....

building A and building B are both on fire, building A collapses...... therefore Building B should collapse as well....

Building A and Building B are not the same. Two welds (while there are many different types of welds) are inherantly the same. Structures on the other hand are very different, as i have tried to explain to you over and over and over and over again...... The only common point between your comparisons is the word fire..... by that logic, because all buildings are built on the planet earth, they should all behave exactly the same.....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

The ends justify the means.

That is the way they think.

They don't give a fuck about what you think.

As long as you fall in line.

Sheep.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 The ends justify the means. That is the way they think. They don't give a fuck about what you think. As long as you fall in line. Sheep.

Whose they? How do you know how "they" think?

Exactly

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Exactly

Exactly, you don't know what the fuck you'r talking about? Or just can't answer the questions?

Very recent article from 9 Danish scientists. Hmmm....





Video isn't loading for me. I don't know how to embed apparently... link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

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Originally posted by D-res Very recent article from 9 Danish scientists. Hmmm.... Video isn't loading for me. I don't know how to embed apparently... link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

youre an idiot.

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