hey does anyone know the keys of any of the following tunes:

love fist - hanging on a string (e craig) 6a ?
marcos - cosmic string (marc van linden) 5a ?
marc van linden - sunrise 8a ?
koglin & dewar - pushed on (stephen j kroos)
bk + nick sentience - flash
solo plastic - get down

i dont have a keyboard/guitar atm so its a bit hard to rely on just my ears n so if anyone could help me out here it'd be great..


cheerS !!

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Agreed, what you are talking about is more to do with key changes than mixing in harmony but to be correct it is very powerful and can give an amazing lift on the dancefloor. Cheers Nem

Nem/Kevboy,

if you guys could list out a few key changes and their associated effects it would be great!

so far I've read of

6a-->3a (Gm-->Bbm)
10a-->7a (Bm-->Dm)
10a-->6a (Bm-->Gm)
8a-->5a (Am-->Cm)
4a-->8a (Fm-->Am)

but i dont know what 'mood' it brings. hard to tell when i'm the one doing it.

The only other way i can figure out how to define which key changes bring on a feeling is by playing the chords on a keyboard/guitar and seeing how it sounds... but i dont have access to a musical instrument atm.

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Rafale,
I would love to put down in words what moods these key changes make, but it is very difficult! Its just a feeling you get. Just listen to 2 tunes that are mixed together of known keys, and try to describe to yourself how the change made you feel. Going up a semi-tone (Am to Bbm) or up a tone (Am to Bm) should be obvious, likewise down the way.
Sorry, but its just practise and how it makes you feel, it may not affect everyone in the same way!

yeah i get it how the "one-semitone up" makes for a 'lift' in the mood, thats pretty obvious,.. but i didnt realise that say jumping two semitones would have a stronger effect..

anyway.. any other combinations to try other than those i mentioned ??

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just get fl studio or something. you can key with it

its amamzing the effects you can create using the 3 step method - they are much more appealing to me than the 1 step up or even the normal 3a-4a, 3a-2a etc mixes. All those people who say that harmonic mixing limits the tunes you play - yeah right- with this new method we will all struggle to decide which tune to put on next,there are so many possibilities!!

i tried this short mixe and it sounded awesome, very different kind of uplift, amazing:

salt lake - rendezvous Cm
randy katana - in silence D#m
sunblind - believe F#m

ive been doing lots more too and they sound great!!!

i tried a mix from F to G# - didnt sound too good but i think it was the way the G# tune ended - i think it kinda changed key. Or maybe the major chords dont fit in with the 3 step method???

jp

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Originally posted by johnny2003 its amamzing the effects you can create using the 3 step method - they are much more appealing to me than the 1 step up or even the normal 3a-4a, 3a-2a etc mixes. All those people who say that harmonic mixing limits the tunes you play - yeah right- with this new method we will all struggle to decide which tune to put on next,there are so many possibilities!! i tried this short mixe and it sounded awesome, very different kind of uplift, amazing: salt lake - rendezvous Cm randy katana - in silence D#m sunblind - believe F#m ive been doing lots more too and they sound great!!! i tried a mix from F to G# - didnt sound too good but i think it was the way the G# tune ended - i think it kinda changed key. Or maybe the major chords dont fit in with the 3 step method??? jp

Na, major chords is a different kettle of fish, thankfully there are not too many trance tracks that go in major keys.

Thought, I would let you know that the 3 step method is not taught anywhere else but here. Never seen it mentioned anywhere not even on the music theory sites... and some people have even told me that it wont work he he. One of Nem's own discoveries although I freely admit that I'm probably not the first to do it. Just worked it out through looking at a guitar... so if anyone else feels like sharing something like that we would love to hear about it.

Glad to see you enjoying it Johnny2003. You will find that this will make you different from a lot of other DJs.

Rafale
Simple rule really.
Take 3 from whatever number you are on or plus 4. Assuming you are in minor keys.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Na, major chords is a different kettle of fish, thankfully there are not too many trance tracks that go in major keys. Thought, I would let you know that the 3 step method is not taught anywhere else but here. Never seen it mentioned anywhere not even on the music theory sites... and some people have even told me that it wont work he he. One of Nem's own discoveries although I freely admit that I'm probably not the first to do it. Just worked it out through looking at a guitar... so if anyone else feels like sharing something like that we would love to hear about it. Glad to see you enjoying it Johnny2003. You will find that this will make you different from a lot of other DJs. Rafale Simple rule really. Take 3 from whatever number you are on or plus 4. Assuming you are in minor keys. Cheers Nem

nem i dont understand what u mean by this:

Simple rule really.
Take 3 from whatever number you are on or plus 4. Assuming you are in minor keys.

are you saying that, for example, if we had a tune playing in Gm (6A), and we want to mix, then you add 4(in mubers) which equals 10A (Bm) or take 3 which equals 3A (Dm)??

ive been steping up in 3's on the actual scale i.e. Fm(4A) to G#m (1a), G#m (1a) to Bm (10A) etc. Is this incorrect, should i be going up in numbers e.g 6A to 9A?

im confused

What is the best way to learn to hear keys? I havent played any instruments so I can not tell in what key a song is.. I can of course hear when a mix is awful or "in key", but not in which key it is

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The best way to hear a key is by using a keyboard or other musical instrument. There has been much discussion here about using these programmes to key records, but I wouldn't touch them with the biggest barge pole you could find me! If they work for other people then great, but I've seen so many mistakes listed it puts real doubt in your mind.
It isn't difficult after some practise, only have to be able to match the note that is playing on your record with a note on your keyboard. At first it is difficult but it is best in the long run.

Johnny2003

Don't add numbers on and take numbers off. Take one record in a particular key, and then take as many records in as many different keys as you can get and mix them with this one record. See what moods it creates! Limitless possibilities!
Don't know what this 3 step method is, I assume its going from say Am to Cm, why not try Am to C#m or to Fm or to Ebm.
It may not be taught as they say, but listen to any film soundtrack or many classical pieces and the keys change all the time, been done for 100's of years! So for someone to say they came up with this idea is not quite right!

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Originally posted by Kev Boy Jeremy1984 The best way to hear a key is by using a keyboard or other musical instrument. There has been much discussion here about using these programmes to key records, but I wouldn't touch them with the biggest barge pole you could find me! If they work for other people then great, but I've seen so many mistakes listed it puts real doubt in your mind. It isn't difficult after some practise, only have to be able to match the note that is playing on your record with a note on your keyboard. At first it is difficult but it is best in the long run. Johnny2003 Don't add numbers on and take numbers off. Take one record in a particular key, and then take as many records in as many different keys as you can get and mix them with this one record. See what moods it creates! Limitless possibilities! Don't know what this 3 step method is, I assume its going from say Am to Cm, why not try Am to C#m or to Fm or to Ebm. It may not be taught as they say, but listen to any film soundtrack or many classical pieces and the keys change all the time, been done for 100's of years! So for someone to say they came up with this idea is not quite right!

doesnt really answer my question!!! im still confused - ill wait for nem to reply :-)