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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth That is just on persons opinion. I find the music very well produced. When I listen to ASOT/GDJB with my headphones on, I love hearing the delays twinkling around, also the melodies to me are very nice. Not in your face super saw. Subtle and deep. When I hear the breakdowns, most of the tracks have great ambience. You can really hear alot of different colors. To me this music is like abstract art. If you have a good ear, you are able to hear melodies and sounds in this music that isnt really there. That is why I love this style. It isnt in your face like other genres, and their are lots of hidden melodies that most people dont hear. I am only sorry that not everyone is able to hear the beauty.

I understand what you're saying here, but with all due respect it indicates that you don't have the musical experience that others in this thread do.

You reference an "in your face super saw" as contrast to why you like American prog, which indicates to me that you've merely realized epic super saws to be overused and unimaginative. Everyone who gets hooked on trance has a time when they realize that, and for many of us speaking against American progressive, it was years ago.

You cite American prog as "subtle and deep." I don't mean to belittle that opinion, but compared to the past ten years of progressive house and trance, it's incredibly simple and obvious.

American progressive isn't that bad. Eurotrance is a much worse offense. But compared to what progressive dance has to offer, it's not good either. Certainly not worthy of the hype around here it has received.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred there's actually some verity in this... i can name many a trance track/producer for instance from 1993 or thereabouts that sound much better than the fluffy anjuna crap being released today...

My point is, though, that the fluffy Anjuna crap is unoriginal and overdone. If it wasn't, I probably still wouldn't like it (but who knows), but atleast I'd respect it.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Radagast Of course his opinion on Kraftwerk doesn't matter. What I used is called an analogy.

Yes. You can be an elitist about many things, the underground/commercial one was just the relevant example. I'm not sure why you made that analogy, because you aren't elitist to my knowledge about that subject.

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Originally posted by Ory Liking something that's poorly produced, unimaginative, unoriginal blah blah blah... = bad taste. Sorry for the confusion.

I like asot/gdjb and protonradio. I have a weird taste :\

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It doesn't to your argument, it would do if Radagast's point was relevant to you.

Sorry, I got a bit confused when you started talking about who did what back in the day.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by JayD Guys. It's cool to discuss your opinions and shit but tell eachother to "fuck off" etc etc. has to stop. JaY

lol yeah you lot are taking this a bit far

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Haha, this thread has turned into discussions about fluff-trance and pioneers of dance music. Oh dear.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Ory My point is, though, that the fluffy Anjuna crap is unoriginal and overdone. If it wasn't, I probably still wouldn't like it (but who knows), but atleast I'd respect it.

This is true.

If you took a random 2004 Anjuna track and dropped it down in 1997, it would likely be heralded as groundbreaking.

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Originally posted by Ory Maybe not the first time (though it probably is, since most of them follow others). But the second time they're about to make a track, they just go by the same formula, and just change some minor stuff. After a while it'd become routine, I'd imagine.

lets say you as a producer work your ass off to make that perfect kick that you just love. are you gonna just use it once and discard it? i dunno... i really doubt that. personally, me n my friend have been trying to make a really nice kick for sometime and after we finally make it most likely i think i'll use it more than once. for a lot of people, that same thinking probably holds through with anything they made that took a lot of hard work. creating unique and interesting sound effects (i'm not talking about the typical wooshing white noise sound) is not easy. i'll bet that probspot felt a need to use it some more. on top of that his productions have only really been around for 1 year. lets all just wait and see what he (and other producers) do next year before you really bash on them. i mean, you guys really expect them to change their sound multiple times a year, always constantly be at the top of their game, and crank out amazing tracks one after the other. i'm sorry, it doesn't really work that way.

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Originally posted by Ory Haha, this thread has turned into discussions about fluff-trance and pioneers of dance music. Oh dear.

U're smiling too much over >500posts?

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Originally posted by trancinchink i mean, you guys really expect them to change their sound multiple times a year, always constantly be at the top of their game, and crank out amazing tracks one after the other. i'm sorry, it doesn't really work that way.

Sasha does it.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

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Originally posted by Cobalt This is true. If you took a random 2004 Anjuna track and dropped it down in 1997, it would likely be heralded as groundbreaking.

yeah
but it's been done a thousand times before, so it's not
if that altf4 tune came out in 1999, everyone would be raving about it (literally), but it came out this year, and noone really cared