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| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
anyone who thinks dj-ing takes skill is a total retard.
usually its the producers who are most experimental and unique when it comes to djing, becasue they know about effects, structures, and loads of other technical shit that ur average dj does not. if u go listen to like mikey mike or Az's mixes in the ameteur dj forum they are shit. just one track then the next waiting till the very last minute to bring the next track in. I have been producing longer than i have been djing, i have only been djing for 2 or 3 years. but i make a point of being different when it comes to djing. using loops, acapellas, fx, mixing tracks in keys which complement each other ( i take the time to update my database with the key of each track i have at a certain tempo... im sure many djs do this, but alot do not. at the end of the day mate, if you think that there is more to djing than producing then you have no idea. producers get booked because clubbers these days like to see the guys who actually make the music, not just some idiot who gets paid to play other peoples. sure there are probably producers who learn to dj in a week and then get booked but who do u see complaining (apart from you?) people go see them because they like the music they MAKE. it pisses me off so much when "real djs" bitch and moan about "producer djs" just because they tend to get more gigs and better gigs than those "real djs"... let me tell u something mate... the djs who dont do anything apart from play other peoples music are the ones you should be moaning at, not us.
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Ok i was reading this thread and ur post mike last nite really forced me to understand that u are really mad about all these comments about the producers on those days.And i really want to express my opinion which i believe could help things a bit out.
-I believe that the thing was implied previously in this thread is that producers that have NO idea out of djing suddenly they are being called to play in clubs.
And a proof of what its being said is an interview of ron van de beuken i read 2 years ago sayin that as a dj he was not talented at all AT ALL.But after a year reading that interview I saw him playin on a club! that's interesting isn't it?
-Is not impossible for a producer to become a good dj.As u said producing helps a lot.Though there are more , djing is not simple. Djing is like an art because a dj use his tunes each separately to add somethin in the atmosphere ,to redirect the crowd with a tune's crazy percussions or with very good strange pads combined with a nice strange melody ,sometimes the dj wants to calm them to make them dance ,to make the crowd cry and dance and in general being creative in many different ways mentally and technically.And here i am in my bottom line.Today's music don't allow that, tracks are all the same thus the djing art is something unnecessary cause they are not many things to do with tracks which are the same but only to do some effects to add acapellas which is much easier thing to do htan to dj with the old way ,for a producer as well ,so this doesn't need as much skill as old djing needed just lots of practice.(I don't want to offfend u IN ANY WAY)So in the end of the day many producers practically start djin.This picture of the producer/dj as it was implied reminds me the picture of a rockstar.Is a picture that promotes the idols and not the music and that's y many ppl in here shout about it
Peace
Last edited by feidias on Oct-30-2005 at 15:13
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