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Originally posted by G-Con I'm not a defeatist. I just don't believe there is anything that can be done.

heh.. a funny line when you read it back

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I know you keep saying you've got ideas but don't want to reveal them just yet but I'm fairly certain that whatever you're ideas are, they will be completely flawed in more ways than one. Why not share with us what you're idea is. I'd love to hear it and I hope its actually a really good way of reviving the scene but I doubt this very much

Trust me. ANYTHING that can be done to improve things is a good thing and no one golden idea is going to do it! I have my own suggestions and ideas which I'm going to bring up soon as well as some that take a bit of negotiating time to sort out first. What's needed though is for everyone to put their thinking cap on and try to come up with ideas that help in ANY way at all to do with the scene, it's environment, or the music.

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People in a group won´t change much together, as they have different tastes and even if they have a collective goal - to make trance better, more healthy, alive - the methods would differ and would probably bring different issues.

Good point. You have to go after things that are a definite improvement no questions asked. Regardless of how difficult it is for TAs to agree, there is also plenty of common ground to be had.

DERS: Well.. regarding the musical end of things and it's popularity, you made some good points which are quite true regarding the music and what is/isn't digestible to a lot of people. The majority of clubbers prefer more of a groove than a rave.. opting for clubbier mid range bpms and not screaming synths and hard beats at high bpms. This is just a fact. Also lets face it, a LOT of people that go to clubs like to go where the girls are. These same clubbers who cringe and shy away from the especially hard beats and upper range tempos of some trance are, as you said, a LOT more likely to actually digest lower bpm trance.
From my own experience, I remember playing a 3 hr set at club in January this year.. (I don't play much trance these days) and I pulled out a few melodic trancey tracks like Andrew Bennett - Ocean Drive (Probspot rmx), Tilt - Invisible (Lost Tribe rmx), and Jose Zamora - Transatlantic (Moor remix) which are all lower bpm (133ish) and they all went over awesome with hands in the air. After my set one of the more jaded house-only scenester guys there came up to me and said flat out that normally he hates trance, but actually loved the stuff I did play and the way I played it (bpm and positioning in my set). There are so many other people who would love trance just as much if presented to them in the right way, with the right tracks believe me. Housey people can actually get pretty stoked with it when you feed it to them in digestible terms and like it or not, with this huge chunk of the population, it's either avoiding the hard sounds and fast bpms, or they are just not havin it. A lot of us like the more pumping, in your face trance, but in honest reality.. as far as the majority are concerned it's the stuff they look at to give trance a bad name and the stuff they won't touch. A few ppl I brought with me on guestlist to check out Scott Bond here for instance would only stay for 20 mins and afterwards were like "what was that.. hardhouse?" lol.
Personally, it's not the hard fast beats that draw me to trance, it's the melodic and uplifting structure so I'm definitely liking the stuff that's not as hard and fast but still energetic and melodic. Not to mention at most of the gigs I play I could very well be lynched for playing anything near 138-140 bpm!

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Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

^I love irony.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Wow, you people are freggin retarded.

Let's all play "spot the irony"!

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Originally posted by humilis Uplifting trance has no THE feeling anymore. Overused sounds and structures, same uplifts. Boring music.

this guy speaks the truth. i have moved to prog house/tribal for the past 2 years. ever since prog trance came into the picture, it has lost its soul.

so long trance, as long as OAKENFOLD and TIESTO is still spinning.

if you still aren't conviced

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Last edited by outlaws on Aug-02-2006 at 08:06

reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course, and people to one day say... "wow, I think I'll abandoned this girl packed house stage and go check out the trance DJs." As DJs we need to be coercive with our track selection if we want to steer people back to trance. Find some trance tracks with really interesting elements that don't splash the pot in your house/electro set, and let it loose. I think people will be really receptive to sounds that they don't often hear as long as it doesn't smack you with a shrieking synths and a 3-minute breakdowns. One of the best sets I've ever heard was in Seattle when Dieselboy incorperated lots of trancy and progressive elements into his jungle set--it kept the sway of drum and bass with the spine tingling synth elements. The crowd loved it.

And don’t sell yourself short. I think we are conflating audience reactions with what constitutes a 'good set'. Trance is never going to have the same jump up and down fist pumping feeling that house has, but that doesn't mean that a well spun trance set isn't a much more engaging, pleasurable, eyebrow raising experience than Johnny-two-step playing Swedish House Mafia top sellers in the next room. Be proud to occupy a niche market and you’ll sleep well knowing you introduced an adventuresome listener to something new and beautiful.

Be The Doors, not the Bee Gees...

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Originally posted by DJ Mission reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course, and people to one day say... "wow, I think I'll abandoned this girl packed house stage and go check out the trance DJs." As DJs we need to be coercive with our track selection if we want to steer people back to trance. Find some trance tracks with really interesting elements that don't splash the pot in your house/electro set, and let it loose. I think people will be really receptive to sounds that they don't often hear as long as it doesn't smack you with a shrieking synths and a 3-minute breakdowns. One of the best sets I've ever heard was in Seattle when Dieselboy incorperated lots of trancy and progressive elements into his jungle set--it kept the sway of drum and bass with the spine tingling synth elements. The crowd loved it. And don’t sell yourself short. I think we are conflating audience reactions with what constitutes a 'good set'. Trance is never going to have the same jump up and down fist pumping feeling that house has, but that doesn't mean that a well spun trance set isn't a much more engaging, pleasurable, eyebrow raising experience than Johnny-two-step playing Swedish House Mafia top sellers in the next room. Be proud to occupy a niche market and you’ll sleep well knowing you introduced an adventuresome listener to something new and beautiful. Be The Doors, not the Bee Gees...

you're annoying

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i thought trance was dead?!?!?! i wonder when the "trance is dead" threads will die along with the poeple who make them/bump them

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Originally posted by DJ Mission reat post. The times are a changin. I think the worse thing to do would be to stay the course

so you want to cut and run?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nchs09
i thought trance was dead?!?!?! What? whene that happen?

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