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malek
drinks your milkshake!

Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Montréal

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Originally posted by Vesa
In contrast, the Arab Anti-War people have been well aware about the Iraq Invasion's PNAC background. They have alternately called the Iraq Invasion as "Pro-Israel", "Neo-Colonialist", "Attack Against Islam" or some other term, but what they mean is "PNAC Plan For Changing The Middle-East". This was widely discussed in the Arab League's meeting before the invasion, and is currently the leading headline in many Arab newspapers online.

yes to that! When arabs state that this or that is Pro-Israeli because the Israeli lobby (to be polite) in Washington are getting their agendas thru, we get called anti-semite... (how funny to be called anti-semite when you're a semite)

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Then overextending "Syria is not being humble, so perhaps we should invade them" (40% of Americans already support the idea!).

Thats why I think polls are dangerous, the US govt is soleley basing itself upon its results, giving it legitimacy, whereupon any staticians would tell you that statistics can be bent and make it say whatever one want it to be said.

If tomorow morning, we would make a poll in the USA saying that:

"Should the US govt invade Malawi because they pose a threat to the US?" a good portion would vote "for" maybe something alongside those 40%. With some PR and CNN "analysts" and ex-generals comenting, it would raise easily to 60%+

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Apr-10-2003 21:47

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cougar23
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Registered: Mar 2003
Location: Milwaukee, WI

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Originally posted by occrider
At any rate I agree with you that this contract is suspect (although it would be difficult to imagine cheney benefiting in any way ... it's more likely he just unfairly expressed assurances as to his former company's competance). So I agree in teh sense there should have been competitors however, I disagree that European firms should have a stake in the matter since it's the US government that is footing the bill.

I guess this whole incident would sit better with me had a very, very similar US cabinet not supported Saddam's rise to power, supplied it with chemical and biological weapons, military intellignece, etc. While I, in every way, wish to see jackasses like Saddam Hussein fall from power, I abhore the powers here (HWBush, Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc.... ) that allowed him to come to power and stay in power. Now they are basically cleaning up the mess that they made in the first place. The downfall of Saddam (the end), doesn't justify the means (war), though. And the fact that they are costing thousands of lives to clean up this mess in no way justifies their right to govern a liberated Iraq. I almost voted for Bush in 2000 (shame on me) because he was claiming that he whould take America's ass out of foreign affairs, such as this. I can see that was an obvious lie. The saddest thing of all, though, is that our soldiers who are risking their lives cleaning up the mess get practically nothing out of it, while sociopathic business owners get to reap the profits unfetteredly.

Apr-10-2003 22:54 United States

Izzy
Virtue & Vice

Registered: Apr 2001
Location: TX TA #5

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Originally posted by Some One
9-11 was taken care of.

This war was to finish off what they had started in '91. Bush Sr. couldnt do it, so Jr. will do it for him. besides, saddam shouldnt be in power anyways.

you obviously missed the whole point of bush's address to the nation after 9/11. he said we would root out threats to the US, specifically those based on terror REGARDLESS of who it is, be it ossama and al-qaeda or whole countries that harbour or aid terrorism. a threat is a threat regardless of where it comes from. we are not only going specifically after those that committed 9/11 but after those who have the power to cause another 9/11. Bush, as did I, saw iraq as a threat, therefore the issue needed to be resolved.

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Apr-10-2003 23:09