yeah this sux hardcore. The RAVE act would basically close down all clubs as there is no possible way that any promoter or club owner could 100% assure that no drugs were inside the venue. This is absolutely impossible at any event so why are they targeting electronic music?

Im praying this shit doesnt become law in USA cos' here in australia we like to copy everything you guys do (John Howard is a insecure moron).

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Can someone do me a favour that lives near Senator Biden?
Can you go into his office and snort a line of speed.. it's biden property, therefore ur drug use is his fault.
it's such a load of bullshit. if it comes into australia, im moving overseas.

- Taken from the Rave Act

`(2) manage or control any place, whether permanently or temporarily, either as an owner, lessee, agent, employee, occupant, or mortgagee, and knowingly and intentionally rent, lease, profit from, or make available for use, with or without compensation, the place for the purpose of unlawfully manufacturing, storing, distributing, or using a controlled substance.'.

So basically if there is any drug use or drugs at all at any public or private venue, the owners, band, etc, will be held responcible... Yes it's so vague even rock bands like the *cough*, Grateful dead could easily be busted under this law.


It reminds me of the definition of Domestic terrorism in the Patriot Act, which is neither patriotic, nor American. Hell, that's so vague they could haul anyone away for merely punching an American... (Assault being the crime for which could lead to terrorism charges)

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Current fav albums

DNA, kick me up
Protoculture, Circadians

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mind you, the people you are now acussing of ignorace, discrimination and genenrally stupidity, are the same people that sent your troops to Iraq to kill innocent people and get killed themselves aswell for no good reason. They are also the same people that act like 5 year old kids by going against france because it wont help them achieve their evil goals (LOL @ freedom fries, like the french give a f@k what you name your food after). Sorry to go a bit out of topic, it's just to prove my point that these people have no brain at all but are given the right to make such important decisions that affect other peoples lives. If this act becomes active and they start shutting down clubs, events etc I'll feel really sorry for you guys in america. Although I dont think you have the right to complain since you vote these people and give them power.

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Based on the way things are going, the USA will be a total police state within 20 years....

I feel sorry for you guys though...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Here's a letter from the Drug Policy Alliance: Dear Members, Subscribers and Friends, I do not normally use our alert channel to send a personal message. However, I wanted to let you know that the Illicit Drug Anti- Proliferation Act (also called the "RAVE Act"), which was attached to the AMBER Alert bill, passed both the House and Senate late yesterday (April 10). The RAVE Act threatens free speech and musical expression while placing at risk any hotel/motel owner, concert promoter, event organizer, nightclub owner or arena/stadium owner for the drug violations of 3rd parties - real or alleged - even if the event promoter and/or property owner made a good-faith effort to keep their event drug-free. It applies not just to electronic-music parties, but to any type of public gathering, including theatrical productions, rock concerts, DJ nights at local bars, and potentially even political rallies. It gives heightened powers and discretion to prosecutors, who may use it to target events they personally don't like - such as Hip-Hop events and gay and lesbian fundraisers. Sadly, the RAVE Act was added to the AMBER Alert bill conference report at the very last minute by Senator Biden (D-DE), its original sponsor. The AMBER Alert bill creates a system for responding to child abduction. It has nothing to do with drug policy. The RAVE Act had not passed even a single committee in the House or Senate this year. One senator's pet issue made a mockery of the Democratic process - becoming law without any public hearing or opportunity for input whatsoever. You should be aware that your letters and faxes clearly had an effect. (FYI - you sent Congress 13,000 faxes this week alone!!) For example, the word "rave" was removed from the version of the bill that passed. Eliminating such blatant discrimination is a victory for our continued freedom of speech. Also, the original bill suggested that prosecutors should view the sale of water and the presence of glowsticks or massage oil as evidence of drug use. These ludicrous "findings" were completely removed thanks to you. President Bush will sign this child abduction bill, which means the RAVE Act will become law as well. We will be working with the legislators who opposed this provision - such as Senators Durbin, Kennedy and Leahy and Representatives Conyers and Scott - for its repeal. In the meantime, however, it is up to all of us to be the watchdogs of its enforcement. Attorney General John Ashcroft will have to make decisions about its enforcement priority among the many public safety issues the Department of Justice handles. He must be held responsible when he implements this scheme. We want him to know that he is not free to shut down our dance clubs, our festivals and our freedoms. We will be watching the activities of law enforcement and prosecutors, and we will act when our rights are violated. You can help us by faxing Attorney General Ashcroft here. http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/...tep=2&item=1581 We thank our many partners in this effort for your hard work: EMEF, ROAR, Buzzlife Productions, Davey D., electronic dance and music organizations throughout the U.S., club owners, hotel organizations, beverage and licensing groups, the ACLU and many, many others. But most of all, I want to say thank you personally to our members and supporters. You truly deserve credit for reacting so quickly and so forcefully. It has really been amazing. When Bill McColl, our Director of National Affairs, told me about this issue last June he said that he thought the RAVE Act would pass in about 2 weeks. You proved us wrong. It took 10 months, a change in control of the Senate, backroom maneuverings and substantial changes to the bill. I'm proud of the hard work of our members, friends and our coalition. Rest assured we will continue to work together to mobilize opposition and advocate to fix this dangerous law. Sincerely, Ethan Nadelmann Executive Director Drug Policy Alliance 3 words: Bullsh$t! Bullsh$t! Bullsh$t!

Well, that pretty much sums it up. The fact that they had to modify it and tack it shadily on to another bill to even make it go through speaks for legitimacy of the bill. The scary thing is, this kind of stuff happens all the time in the senate. I'm willing to offer someone money to send Biden to a couple clubs (with earplugs, of course) and see what he's destroying. As PvD said in the inside cover for "The Politics of Dancing", "I see electronic Dance Music as not merely a musical movement, but a cultural one."

Well, Mr. Biden, I hope it makes you sleep better at night realizing That you are directly responsible for possibly leaving thousands of people unemployed on the streets, and destroying the dreams of countless others. The truth is, EDM gives a lot more people money and jobs and helps a lot more lives than the few idiots that OD in clubs each year. Unfortunately, you have come to the belief that drugs are the center and vital portion to the EDM scene. Nothing good will come out of any law that is based on such blatant ignorance. Have you ever considered the repercussions of your act? If every club across America gets shut down by your bill, guess what will happen? You're not going to stop anyone from listening to the music. What will happen is, people will throw their own underground parties, where there will be no one there to enforce drugs at all. Ironically enough, the very platform of your bill is self-defeating and will only make the "problem" worse.

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- Dave Dresden

Damn I wish they passed the line item veto, it makes no sense that bills have so many ryders and such. Line item veto would make it very useful for striking out pork from the national budget as well.

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Current fav albums

DNA, kick me up
Protoculture, Circadians