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Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav and i play a shitload better live on a loud system seamless mixes compared to a studio setting with quiet monitors i feel a demo mix should represent all that you're capable of if they wanted to hear a one-off live mix they could just come see me live

I actually find that its easier to play on a loud system. I think its actually because the loudness of the system can hide alot of mistake whereas in a quiet studio setting you focus too much on any mistakes u may make.

If you're giving a demo to a promotor or club owner i dont think you're in any position to say that they should come see you live. A demo mix SHOULD be a representation of all that you're capable.. live. They're judging you based on what you present them. If you mess up on one transition at home then there's a chance to mess up in a club environment. What happens when you mess up in the club? The promoter will think that your demo is a false representation of what you could do.

I think fixing it up is wrong wrong wrong. Anyone could sit there and record each individual mix making sure they are all perfect. "oops, I fucked that one up, well i'll just do it again". You not gonna get away with that with an audience. "hang on guys, let me try that one again".

If you're not good enough to pull off a 60 minute set, then you're not ready.... keep practising.

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This is my final input on this thread which has gotten a little out of hand -- If I am putting together a promo, I DO NOT WANT IT TO SOUND FUCKING SLOPPY. If everyone who listens to the promo hears it on a loud system than obviously it wouldn't matter if it was all perfect. Unfortunately that's not the case and most errors on a mix become blatantly obvious on a boombox or computer speakers, etc. A transition that is just a tiny bit off is really obvious on a boombox so that's why people want it to be perfect. I'm almost willing to guarantee that those of us who have progressed far enough to put together a few cds are quite capable of playing out on a loud system. I know I am, my transitions are never off enough that it would be noticeable in that setting. ARGhhhh

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Originally posted by jonnycarcinogen This is my final input on this thread which has gotten a little out of hand -- If I am putting together a promo, I DO NOT WANT IT TO SOUND FUCKING SLOPPY. If everyone who listens to the promo hears it on a loud system than obviously it wouldn't matter if it was all perfect. Unfortunately that's not the case and most errors on a mix become blatantly obvious on a boombox or computer speakers, etc. A transition that is just a tiny bit off is really obvious on a boombox so that's why people want it to be perfect. I'm almost willing to guarantee that those of us who have progressed far enough to put together a few cds are quite capable of playing out on a loud system. I know I am, my transitions are never off enough that it would be noticeable in that setting. ARGhhhh

i agree 110%
and am in exactly the same boat

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Originally posted by wushuboy Well.. in my opinion i think that using software to fix errors in your mix is sorta like cheating. A demo should be a representation of what you can do in a club environment. In a live setting you will never have the opportunity to edit a mix..if you mess up you move on. Bachatu.. there's a flaw in your arguement when you say that its just a demo not a live performance. A demo should convey to the promoter what you can do live. If you were to use that flawed record live and you messed up, what are you going to do? you cant tell the audience to stop dancing so that you can edit ur transition and then resume like nothing happened. Would you use a flawed record in a live performance knowing that there's ppl watching you and judging you? i dont think so. If a flawed record is the problem then maybe you shouldnt be using that record in the first place because you wouldnt be using that record live. Either go buy a new one or use another song. DJing is about flexibility afterall.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You have your thoughts on what a demo is, and i do as well.
A demo is a demo and live set is obviously a live set. A demo is different than a live set in which is not recorded and sent to promotors, though it can be. However, to make the best first impression, you want your mix to be 'clean' as possible.
you mentioned that you would not be able to tell the dance floor to stop, so you can edit the mix... which is obvious. So what do you do if you mess up in a demo recording? Start the record all over again...right? Having that said, neither would you tell the audience to stop, so you can start the whole mix all over again.
Im not saying that I edit all the time, but that sometimes i get certain records where the pitch fluctuates. Normally, i dont like spinning them, but sometimes they are hard to get again (out of stock, etc).
jonnycarcinogen understands the differences, and I thinks understands what im saying and what this subject about. Its not about cutting and pasting a mix... cause that is not really djing. Its about a demo being a demo, where you record and are able to start all over again and able to edit, where as live is live... period.
I believe being able to use all your resources to your advantage is the smartest way of being a dj. Obviously, when you get live, you better be able to back up what is your promo cds. IN that area, i have no problems, nor do i doubt my skills.
In fact, you can catch my LIVE sets every week at basicbeats radio and puredj radio. I never get complaints from listeners.

Peace,
Ricky

Last edited by bachatu on Apr-29-2003 at 04:25