dude. chill. i am not anti-american. i do not hate americans. i am friends with many, and i respect them.

please, don't even bring up WWII, that is another subject all together, open another thread if ou like.

to clarify, i never tried to justify what saddamn has done. he was an evil man, and i am glad he is now (probably) dead.

one question, the majority of americans never supported the war? well, a lot did. i have some polls that show very low support, but one gallup poll showed over 50% support. somehow, i think the results of that one were rigged (because of how out of line it was with other polls), but i have no evidence, so i will just shut my mouth about that.

In any case, we need to do MORE next time, than just get millions of people in the streets. we need to shut down the american military machine.

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Originally posted by marcus82 well, remember in the early 90's...IRAQ (the world's largest free standing ground army at the time)

oh, and.. what exactly does this mean? is the US not counted in this? because, i am fairly sure that the US had a larger army, and most certainly better equipped.

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Originally posted by occrider How about the removal of an anti-American regime in the Middle East? Bush, Cheney, and Wolfowitz have had their eye on Iraq for quite some time. Not for the oil, but to affect regime change.

it's true, but it's related to the oil. France is not particularly fond of the americans, nor china, nor germany. that does not mean we can start dropping bombs on paris, beijing and frankfurt!

Bush, Cheney, and Wolfowitz have had their eye on Iraq for quite some time, precisely because saddamn hussein was no longer friendly to american economic interests.

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no no...sorry, i should clarify that...

what i mean is...everything is relative and everybody has been a bully one time...your right that america has consistently been a bully in the world stage, but unfortunately it's during republican administrations reagan, bush, bush jr. it's also true that in almost every region in a the world there is an american airbase or naval base extending their influence.

it just really boils me over when people use 'THE US', sorry johnsmith for jumping on you, i said in a previous post that i couldn't formulate opinions on persons post cuz i haven't been here too long. my apologies..i think i need more uplifting trance right now to cool some jet's.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith I disagree. In the absence of other factors, such as the missing WMD, and the non existant ties with al-qaeda, i am inclined to believe that oil WAS the primary factor. I am sure that there were other factors as well, but none so important as this.

Some other factors I think may have played an equal or greather role than oil in the decision include:

1. Payback by the administration to certain factions whose support helped assure Bush's election.

2. A diversion to raise Bush's approval rating and distract the public from the flagging economy.

3. The strengthening of the U.S. military presence in the gulf area to allow faster responses to terrorist "threats" (real or imagined).

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Originally posted by Arbiter 3. The strengthening of the U.S. military presence in the gulf area to allow faster responses to terrorist "threats" (real or imagined).

wow, very perceptive, i didn't think of that....scary...very scary

but how would that coincide with US scale back of air operations in icirlik afb (turkey) and prince sultan afb (saudi)?

perhaps the americans think that airpower does not work vs. 'the terrorist threat'?

some interesting questions there

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well, i agree those could be factors. but, none justify what was done. (nor am i saying that you believe that they do)

but, i don't think any of those is important enough of a benefit to the bush administration, to have undertaken this. oil on the other hand, is a huge financial benefit.

also, please clarify:

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Payback by the administration to certain factions whose support helped assure Bush's election

which factions?

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corporate donors to the presidential election

i.e. halliburton (also inline with cheney)

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or, in other words, oil.

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well yes and no...

halliburton's KBR construction co also been awarded road and other contracts...they also do US ARMY catering...


but yeah...oil is up there...so is a foul stench...can't put my finger on it

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Originally posted by JohnSmith ?? what the heck does that have to do with politicians being fucked up? and.. are you serious, you are being sent to jail for skipping school?

yes i am serious. they can legally lock u up and fine you if you cut more than 3
classes in one school year.adn this DOES have something to do with polititians because a polititian introduced this law...

AMERICA IS NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY

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Originally posted by fuct4less yes i am serious. they can legally lock u up and fine you if you cut more than 3 classes in one school year.adn this DOES have something to do with polititians because a polititian introduced this law... AMERICA IS NO LONGER A DEMOCRACY

LoL here in Florida they sent your parents to jail instead, or get a fine. though, it isn't as bad, you should not be skipping!