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Originally posted by Arbiter It is better to die for a chance at freedom than to live a life rendered meaningless by tyranny.

Easy to say when you've never actually been faced with the choice. We all like to think we'd be heroes when faced with a situation like that, but not many people are. Life isn't Hollywood.

Why don't you tell us all about the time you died for something you believed in.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Why don't you tell us all about the time you died for something you believed in.

oxymoron huh?

well, alot of people have died for what they believed in...but u can't tell you story 6 feet under...

the job is soley responsible on someone else to tell your story of heroism (i.e. the flight that crashed in penn state, but how would someone tell your story when information is controlled and supressed?

martyr, hero...dead person...whatever! there have been countless of these individuals throughout history...but the only reason you don't know about em was because nobody bothered to tell their story.

tell me, would you know what jesus did if his history wasn't written or his story was never preserved?

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Originally posted by evil_bastard Easy to say when you've never actually been faced with the choice. We all like to think we'd be heroes when faced with a situation like that, but not many people are. Life isn't Hollywood. Why don't you tell us all about the time you died for something you believed in.

Are you suggesting that cowardice is justified because it is prevalent?

If not, your post consists of nothing more than a meaningless sequence of non sequiturs.

Of course you can't tell your story 6 feet under, that's exactly my point. He preaches it but he's never done it. It's meaningless rhetoric.

I'm not suggesting anything mate, I've never been dragged inside a torture chamber and if I did I doubt I'd be so philosophical.

It's funny you call it a non sequitur because I was replying to you, and it was directly relevant to your post.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard It's funny you call it a non sequitur because I was replying to you, and it was directly relevant to your post.

Even if you could prove that I wouldn't be willing to die for my beliefs, you'd still have nothing more than an ad hominem tu quoque fallacy. Elementary logic suggests your assertions don't have any relevance at all.

wow...remind me to never get in a arguement with arbiter...

he/she (sorry arbs, don't know your gender) really puts meaning the the forum subject, bring a dictionary!

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Originally posted by marcus82 wow...remind me to never get in a arguement with arbiter... he/she (sorry arbs, don't know your gender) really puts meaning the the forum subject, bring a dictionary!

Whatever, it's fun arguing with arbiter! You get to brush up on all the latest buzzwords and logical terminologies hehe .

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he does have a way with words doesn't he. makes sense though. i have a strong suspicion that Arbiter is really a bot. and that he would be an excellent chess player.

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Originally posted by Arbiter you'd still have nothing more than an ad hominem tu quoque fallacy

No. For an ad hominem tu quoque fallacy I'd have to claim that your initial assertion was incorrect on the basis that it is inconsistent with your own experiences. What you've overlooked is that I didn't claim your initial assertion to be incorrect at all. Furthermore, your own inconsistency with your assertions shows only that you are in no position to debate it's validity, not that the claim itself is incorrect.

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Originally posted by evil_bastard What you've overlooked is that I didn't claim your initial assertion to be incorrect at all. Furthermore, your own inconsistency with your assertions shows only that you are in no position to debate it's validity, not that the claim itself is incorrect.

Then, I fail to see what possible "relevance" you could claim your comments to have had at all. In fact, every time I try to pinpoint exactly what claims you are making, you deny you're making any assertions at all! You may as well have said nothing, if that was all you had to offer.

Don't be a hypocrite, your original post was both pompous and irrelevant, and when I pointed that out you accused me of throwing into doubt the validity of the claim and of being fallacious, neither of which were true. Now you complain that I have not made any assertions on something of which I have no experience, when your own assertions, besides being irrelevant, have yet to be backed up by anything other than your own say so. You might as well have said nothing at all eh?

I'll admit two wrongs don't make a right, but your problem seems to be that you can't accept your comment contributed nothing to the thread whilst you happily accuse others of the same. In that case, perhaps you can point out what your original post contributed.

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and then the sky fell down, or something

talk about a derailment

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