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Originally posted by dEsidEL haha Liam .. did you go to watch an action movie or a drama .. ??

well compare matrix 1 to this..thers real action only in the end..which was good..matrix is meant to be a mindfuck..


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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee well compare matrix 1 to this..thers real action only in the end..which was good..matrix is meant to be a mindfuck..

that's the thing .. i know it's hard not to compare the movie to its predecessor but if you do it won't make it seem that great. the thing is this movie is basically 1/2 of the 2 part story .. so it's hard to judge it solely on its own. i think a more fair comparisson can be made as soon as Revolutions is out..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL that's the thing .. i know it's hard not to compare the movie to its predecessor but if you do it won't make it seem that great. the thing is this movie is basically 1/2 of the 2 part story .. so it's hard to judge it solely on its own. i think a more fair comparisson can be made as soon as Revolutions is out..

and that's exactly why i don't like it / hate it

i really need to watch Revolution to understand Reloaded.

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Yeah.....I saw this on thursday and I had mixed feelings. The first one was done so damn well that Reloaded had a lot of expectations to meet and as a whole, I don't think it did the job.

The first scene where Trinity is falling in slow motion went on for like 3 minutes...WTF? The whole Zion stuff was pretty shitty....the new Operator guy was so "invented" for comedic relief....what happened to Tank? Morpheus' speech to Zion was ridiculous and I think Fishburne felt like an idiot reading those lines. The Rave scene, if you can call it that....was REEEEETAAAARRRRDDDDDEEEDDD!!

Oh, and the Neo vs. 50 Agent Smiths fight was pointless, because he just flew off in the end. Why didn't he fly off when he saw the first 5 or 6 coming? PLOT HOLE....oh, and that fight looked like total shit. I thought i was watching a cartoon for fuck's sake!! Talk about doing a George Lucas with over use of computer effects!

The other fights were well done, especially the highway scene, which was VERY COOL indeed.

Am I the only person who thought that ending was stupid? It cuts to that guy and then....the music goes DA DAA DAAAA and it's over. CHEESEY.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Oh, and the Neo vs. 50 Agent Smiths fight was pointless, because he just flew off in the end. Why didn't he fly off when he saw the first 5 or 6 coming? PLOT HOLE....

maybe he thought that he could kill the first 10 .. until it became 100, he just gave up ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL maybe he thought that he could kill the first 10 .. until it became 100, he just gave up ..

well....it's still a pointless scene which looked like total shit. Why abandon the wire technology that worked so well for CGI instead? It looked so bad that I actually started laughing in the theatre and people started laughing with me when it really started looking cartoonish. If this movie beats out Return of the King for Best Visual Effects, I'll never watch the Oscars again.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 well....it's still a pointless scene which looked like total shit. Why abandon the wire technology that worked so well for CGI instead? It looked so bad that I actually started laughing in the theatre and people started laughing with me when it really started looking cartoonish. If this movie beats out Return of the King for Best Visual Effects, I'll never watch the Oscars again.

yea everyone in the theatre that i was in was laughing too .. esp. when he was swatting agents away with that pole ..

btw. bashing Matrix Reloaded is almost becoming like bashing Tiesto.. when ur #1 and coming off a good thing it's always a tough job following up ..

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee i watched it last night, MIND BLOWING...my mind was sittin outside me for most part just to keep pace.... was funny how some others didnt understand what was so great about there being one survivor and then they showed who the survivor was.... some people didnt get that and when i explained they go :O IMO, if they laid off the romance bit, it would be far better tihngs that needed more thought while puttin in the script itself: 1)the fuckin rave in Zion when they just hear that the city is gonna crumble...wtf was that 2) Neo flew 4 times out of which the first one was unnecessary which outplayed that fact 3) when he fought 101 agt. Smiths, he couldve flown off way before cos he knew there were too many... 4) wtf..how can neo be invinsible 5)the 2 ghosts, when initially told to catch the keymaker, they simk into the floor when they couldve flown and captured him instantly and couldve gotten into combat imidately (which would eliminate the highway scene) 6)if agent smith was able to copy himself so many times during the fight without touching people, why did he have to touch neo and morpheus etc. 7)throughout the movie, they talk about options already being chosen and the path already planned out, so why did the architect even bother with the whole convo bit. he couldve jumped straight to the conclusion (elimination of a whole scene again) 8) again there was a "sleeping beauty scene" 9) if the keymaker was talented enough he couldve made a key to go directly to the architect instead of that whole power station blow up mission. i can go on with major glitches in the movie but im too lazy to type now oh and heres a matrix fan's worst mightmare: if any of u have wathed the movie "the thirteenth floor" and of course terminator, u will find matrix is a combo of both. but all movies have glitches and overall id say that the movie was alright..as before, if the romance thing was thrown out,movie wouldve been far better

your wrong on a couple of points and i dont agree with most of your points but its your opinion and i dont feel like typing a lot.

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Originally posted by Arsalan your wrong on a couple of points and i dont agree with most of your points but its your opinion and i dont feel like typing a lot.

I agree with you

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The only scene I did not like was the 10 min fight sequence with Neo vs the French dude's guards in the mansion, it was pretty pointless to have it that long, seemed like it was there just to showcase some more special effects. Other than that I thought it was amazing.

The architect scene was indeed brilliant, and for those of you who watched start trek: the next generation, you'd probably agree that it was very similar to Picards many encounters with Q. I loved the episodes with Q, always fucking with Picards mind and of course the audience watching hehe.

After watching the movie I thought, these machinces/AI are extremely intelligent, so it would be safe to assume that during the revisions of the Matrix, they programmed fail safe back-ups....i.e bullet proofed their software, as most good programmers do. So, for the 1% that reject the matrix and see it for its' truth, these fail safe programs kick in. Programs like the oracle, key maker and such kick in to create a new illusion for these people, to again blind them from the truth, a new hope is given to them a sense of freedom, a sense of real life. However, Zion is only a contruct of the matrix, it is created only to weed out these few who reject and pose a threat to the matrix.....once a large number of them accumlate, Zion is detroyed and then re-created to continue the same process, hence the choice given to Neo to repopulate Zion. So I came to the conclusion that Neo, Morpheus, Trinity and the others are still in the Matrix, still connected, still hardwired, they have only been eluded to believe that they were set free. This would explain why Neo still had powers in the illusionary "real world", because its not the real world its still the matrix.

That's what I initially thought the 3rd part would reveal, but after seeing the revolutions trailer, it seems that they decided to take a different approach hehehe. It now seems to me that Neo just somehow has freaky powers in the real world lol, I think it has to do with his weird connection with Agent smith, but who knows. I don't know which idea is better, all I know is that I can't wait to see revolutions =P

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Originally posted by DJLocoMoco The only scene I did not like was the 10 min fight sequence with Neo vs the French dude's guards in the mansion, it was pretty pointless to have it that long, seemed like it was there just to showcase some more special effects. Other than that I thought it was amazing. The architect scene was indeed brilliant, and for those of you who watched start trek: the next generation, you'd probably agree that it was very similar to Picards many encounters with Q. I loved the episodes with Q, always fucking with Picards mind and of course the audience watching hehe. After watching the movie I thought, these machinces/AI are extremely intelligent, so it would be safe to assume that during the revisions of the Matrix, they programmed fail safe back-ups....i.e bullet proofed their software, as most good programmers do. So, for the 1% that reject the matrix and see it for its' truth, these fail safe programs kick in. Programs like the oracle, key maker and such kick in to create a new illusion for these people, to again blind them from the truth, a new hope is given to them a sense of freedom, a sense of real life. However, Zion is only a contruct of the matrix, it is created only to weed out these few who reject and pose a threat to the matrix.....once a large number of them accumlate, Zion is detroyed and then re-created to continue the same process, hence the choice given to Neo to repopulate Zion. So I came to the conclusion that Neo, Morpheus, Trinity and the others are still in the Matrix, still connected, still hardwired, they have only been eluded to believe that they were set free. This would explain why Neo still had powers in the illusionary "real world", because its not the real world its still the matrix. That's what I initially thought the 3rd part would reveal, but after seeing the revolutions trailer, it seems that they decided to take a different approach hehehe. It now seems to me that Neo just somehow has freaky powers in the real world lol, I think it has to do with his weird connection with Agent smith, but who knows. I don't know which idea is better, all I know is that I can't wait to see revolutions =P

wow really smart apporach and as far as then zion thing goes, i totally agree with you and that is what i got out of it.

but with neo still being in the matrix even in the "real world" , i dont think they are taking that apporach because when they got out, he was like , something is different , i can feel them. so i dont know , it prolly has something to do with agent smith as we can see in the trailer also.

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there is alot about physics. Neo wouldnt be able to make the machines drop IRL, so that HAS to be an aspect of the matrix.
Either that, or he is part 'machine' from when Smith tried to overwrite his coding. This is where I bounce around....
the other guy was overwriten and then when he returned to Zion, nobody was wiser. Which means that IRL, machines still have effect, even thought the matrix makes your mind believe what happens there happens in real life. So really what does it mean?
So the machines infiltrated Zion...= the EMP that was set off, and why the war was lost so fast... But why did they need an insider machine? And why is he comatose? And how can they not deduce that w/ him being the sole survivor that he is machine? So did neo gain some control over the programs when he did his deal with smith? If so, does morpheus now have the same ability? Just WAY too many ??? that I need to wait till the next one comes out to answer our questions.

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