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Originally posted by Eugene Still, Canada is second to the US in terms of people's desire to live there and the amount of opportunities (incl. job opportunities, but not necessarily). 99% of immigrants try to get into the USA. Canada is a 'backup' option. There must be a reason for that don't you think?

This is due to propaganda....."the home of the free, bla bla. house with a white picket fence, equal opportunities." The United States and Britain still have the highest gap between the rich and poor in the western world.

Smart immigrants come to Canada...mostly because we welcome them with open arms and end up paying for them for the first few years. It's actually quite hard to get into Canada these days....about 400,000 people are let in each year to keep out population of 31,000,000 growing slowly but steadily. Canada is multicultural, unlike the US, where everybody HAS to be American. Oh, and the strongest growing currencies right now are the Euro and the Canadian dollar, whereas the US dollar is declining in international worth. The Canadian economy feeds off the US yes, but it does not need it to be successful for our own to flourish. The US is in a small recession right now....is Canada? Nope.

We also have free healthcare open to EVERYONE. That's something Americans have never had and will never have.

And currently....Canada is number 3 in the world behind Norway and Sweden. The Netherlands follows Canada at number 4. Britain is ahead of The US I believe and Germany, Japan. Just face it Yanks....your country isn't as great as you're told it is.

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Originally posted by Eugene Well, that's true and all of these are very good points that I wish I could say about the US. Socially Canada has a better atmosphere but it's not as prosperous or influential as the US.

Ok sure, the US does have more economic power and military might as well as international influence...but where would you rather live? In a nation that spends close to 30% of its GDP on military power rather than on its own people or a nation that may charge 9% more taxes but gives it back to people in the form of education loans and a universal healthcare program....not to mention VERY generous Unemployment rates, subsidies to farming and fishing industries, recognises labour rights and unions, etc etc etc.

Are YOU really benefitting from the fact that your President and his Cabinet can tell a small, poor and socially inept country like Iraq what to do, or for that matter, bomb the absolute SHIT out of it? I would think not.

No wonder Americans travelling to Europe and Asia strap Canadian flags on their backpacks.

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I didn't want to get involved in this but here it goes!

Every country in the world is screwed up about its relationship with the US. But in Canada it seems to be a national obsession, even a neurosis. Imagine, if you will, a homely kind of girl - well-liked but usually ignored(that's you Canada) - who lives next door to the town hunk(that's us). He is the centre of all her thoughts. She peers through the net curtains as he swaggers out for a night on the town. She reads major significance into every gesture: every time he ignores her on the street; every time he gives her an affectionate pat. She despises his unruly ways but, deep down, desperately wants to believe this is true love. He barely even gives her a thought. In romantic fiction, you end up with a white wedding and happy-ever-aftering. In international diplomacy, you get the US-Canada relationship.

Canadian Nationalism & anti-Americanism go hand in hand. In Canada, it is difficult to find a nationalist who can promote Canada without demoting the United States. In essence Canada defines itself in contrast to the United States. This isn't surprising of course, considering Canada's geographic position and the fact that 90% of Canada's population is within 100 miles of the US border.

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/canadapop.htm

Canada's economy is utterly dependent on the United States, and Americans pump more than $10 billion directly into it every year. Nine million of us cross the northern border more than 40 million times annually, and we buy lots of stuff. And that stuff is heavily taxed by the tax-and-spend Canadian government. So what happens if we all emulate Mr. Bush and just say no to the land of snow?

Canada's economy melts, that's what happens.


http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/simdiff.htm

As I said before it was a joke get off your high horses!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 we welcome them with open arms

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 It's actually quite hard to get into Canada these days....about 400,000 people are let in each year

^^ um, a little contradiction here... Ironic how you put these sentences right next to each other... By the way, Canada does not welcome 'everyone' -- only those without the "burden" of elderly parents... I know, I have friends living in Canada!

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Just face it Yanks....your country isn't as great as you're told it is.

Well, first of all, I'm not a Yank, I'm Russian.... In response to your question "Where would you rather live?" I would definitely say USA... because of the higher standard of living, more opportunities, more people, more exciting life. Besides the fact that we have always been #1 for all immigrants, and are the top economy in the world, and have the friendliest people in the Western world, we are also an exciting place to live: We have Las Vegas, Miami Florida with South Beach, California.. We have New York, the capital of the world... Sure, we may have some bad social and foreign policies (no country is perfect), but no other country comes close to the United States in terms of the quality of life: social, economic, personal...

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Smart immigrants come to Canada...mostly because we welcome them with open arms and end up paying for them for the first few years. It's actually quite hard to get into Canada these days....about 400,000 people are let in each year to keep out population of 31,000,000 growing slowly but steadily. Canada is multicultural, unlike the US, where everybody HAS to be American. Oh, and the strongest growing currencies right now are the Euro and the Canadian dollar, whereas the US dollar is declining in international worth. The Canadian economy feeds off the US yes, but it does not need it to be successful for our own to flourish. The US is in a small recession right now....is Canada? Nope. We also have free healthcare open to EVERYONE. That's something Americans have never had and will never have. And currently....Canada is number 3 in the world behind Norway and Sweden. The Netherlands follows Canada at number 4. Britain is ahead of The US I believe and Germany, Japan. Just face it Yanks....your country isn't as great as you're told it is.

Ok smart guy, first of all currency valuations have no bearing on the economic success of a country. Second of all, the US is NOT in a state of recession. If you want to quote actual figures, Canada had gdp growth of 1.6% in Q4 of 2002 as compared to US growth of 1.4% so don't even try to play that card. Thirdly, if you had actually read the link that I had posted of the country rankings, the US is 6th behind Belgium and Australia, HOWEVER, if you had read further you would have seen that the Human Development index for the US was tied with Australia and Belgium and is 1/10 of a PERCENT behind Canada. So as somebody mentioned before GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE ALREADY.

Edit: Oh yes, and since all the dumb immigrants come to the US as opposed to the "smart" immigrants, at least they have a better chance of getting a job considering your unemployment rate is 7.7%

Now can we stop with the silly country bashing already? Or would you like to talk more economics?

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Born in Israel, living in Toronto since I’ve been 1.5years old. My parents are Russian and I have Spanish and Persian roots. I've traveled extensively throughout North America. I must say that Canada or more specifically, Toronto is a great place for kids to grow, learn, and develop as young adults. We could use up the heavily subsidized University educations we receive, and have all our broken bones fixed for free with our oh-so-beautiful O.H.I.P. (Ontario health insurance plan) card!

It's at this time (after we sucked Canada dry for its subsidized education) that we should all be making the move to the US... because straight the fuck up... CANADA as a whole - SUCKS!

Don't get me wrong... Canadians for the most part are awesome... preferred well over the Americans anywhere in the world. Americans are raised as animalistic freaks... I’m not even joking... they are TOO rowdy and don’t know where to draw the line sometimes.

anyways, since I love what America is trying to do in this world (rid it of terror monkeys), and Canada just sits on the side a picks it's ass, my overall opinion stands favourably on the side of the good old United States of America!

Although I must say, anti-Semitism is a serious problem still and mustn't still exist in a day 'n' age such as ours!

The Chicago Tribune crossed the line today, with a truly vile antisemitic cartoon. Here it is.

The Chicago Sun Times is disgusted, and pulls no punches in their commentary: Here it is -- Scroll down to Caricature Assasination

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Originally posted by Eugene ^^ um, a little contradiction here... Ironic how you put these sentences right next to each other... By the way, Canada does not welcome 'everyone' -- only those without the "burden" of elderly parents... I know, I have friends living in Canada! Well, first of all, I'm not a Yank, I'm Russian.... In response to your question "Where would you rather live?" I would definitely say USA... because of the higher standard of living, more opportunities, more people, more exciting life. Besides the fact that we have always been #1 for all immigrants, and are the top economy in the world, and have the friendliest people in the Western world, we are also an exciting place to live: We have Las Vegas, Miami Florida with South Beach, California.. We have New York, the capital of the world... Sure, we may have some bad social and foreign policies (no country is perfect), but no other country comes close to the United States in terms of the quality of life: social, economic, personal...

Why do you keep saying the United States has the highest quality of life? We've already covered that.....and the USA does not have it. I guess this is another example of Americans being totally ignorant to UN reports and instead, choosing to believe their own propaganda. The top 4, as of 2002 are Norway, Sweden, Canada and the Netherlands. From 1993-2000, it was Canada at the top. The United States has NEVER been at the top of that list.

And Americans being the friendliest people in the world? Mm hmm......so tell me again.....WHY do Americans travelling to Europe strap Canadian flags on their backpacks?

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Melech_Mike: It's not surprising you're kissing the American's ass right now. You're obviously an Israeli Jew and quite obviously supported the War in Iraq....like every Jew out there.

I'm not being pro-Arab here, but you talk about terrorism? Before Israel actually became a country in the mid to late 1940's, the Jews there methodically went about assassinating British civilians and military personnel. Ever heard of the King David Hotel bombing? How Israeli's conveniently forget their past.

At least Canada had the guts to stand up for what it believes in and didn't back down JUST because the US told them everybody should go to war. When Canada and Britain went to war against Germany in 1939....where were the Yanks? They let war rage on for 2.5 years before coming in and helping so fuck right off.

I say if you don't like Canada....then get the FUCK out and go the USA

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 When Canada and Britain went to war against Germany in 1939....where were the Yanks? They let war rage on for 2.5 years before coming in and helping so fuck right off.

The US contributed just as much as Canada did during these two years with the exception of 80 Canadian pilots who fought in the battle of britain.

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Everyone is nationalistic, so whatever country you are from you will believe that it is the best country to live in and that the things that are not good about your country are small in compared to the things that make your country great. Americans will love America, Canadians will love Canada and that is how the world works. I have come to realize through my travels that i do not consider one country to be better then another just different in their own way, to gain something in one country you give up something you had in another country.

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Originally posted by occrider The US contributed just as much as Canada did during these two years with the exception of 80 Canadian pilots who fought in the battle of britain.

Oh yes....and what about the thousands of Canadians that died trying to save Hong Kong? Or the few thousand that died in the Atlantic from 39-41 that were transporting arms and food to Britain? US ships were not attacked during this time so don't start that.

Actually, if you REALLY want to get into the grit and dirt....are any Americans aware that General Motors actually tried to negotiate with Hitler about selling him tanks/planes/ammunition to fight Russia with once britain "had been conquered." It's a bloody good thing Britain managed to hold its own and defeat the Luftwaffe in 1940.

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