Mike...who's your group? And why are you meeting with Wolfie?

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Originally posted by melech_mike If the Israeli government didn't have these "random terrorists" to deal with, it wouldn't be so violent now would it; Asshole!

If Isreal didnt oppress these people with curfews, bombings, murder, and military occupation, then insanity and vengence wouldnt set in the minds of young and already vulnerable palestinians who basically have "nothing to loose" and would otherwise kill themselves as a means of defending themselves by their own definition.

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Wait...now Mike is going to say that all of the things Cyrus listed happened because terrorism, then Cyrus will say that Israel is an oppressive state that belongs to Arabs....Oy! Talk about vicious circles, I'm sitting this one out.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Wait...now Mike is going to say that all of the things Cyrus listed happened because terrorism, then Cyrus will say that Israel is an oppressive state that belongs to Arabs....Oy! Talk about vicious circles, I'm sitting this one out.

I think they sum up the middle east pretty well ...

Israel: I'm not going to give you a state until you stop terrorist attacks.
Palestinians: We're not going to stop terrorist attacks until you give us our state.
Both: Fine let's just agree to kill each other.

Everybody is happy in the end I guess.

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Originally posted by occrider I think they sum up the middle east pretty well ... Israel: I'm not going to give you a state until you stop terrorist attacks. Palestinians: We're not going to stop terrorist attacks until you give us our state. Both: Fine let's just agree to kill each other. Everybody is happy in the end I guess.

hey, at least they're able to come to some sort of an agreement.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 hey, at least they're able to come to some sort of an agreement.

LOL!

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Originally posted by melech_mike It astounds me how people can compare aid going to Israel with aid going to "other" nations. Israel has been allied with the United States for a long time and will continue to be. Take that into consideration when thinking about how the US distributes its $$$! If a good 'friend' of mine asked to borrow (or have) a large sum of money, I would hesitate less to give it to him rather than to a fairly new 'associate' of mine. It's just the way the world works... the US doesn't owe anyone shit! Listed below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations' records: Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time. Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time. Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time. United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time. Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time. Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time. Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time. Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time. Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time. Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time. Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time. Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time. Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time. Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time. Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time. India votes against the United States 81% of the time. Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time. Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time. ISRAEL VOTES WITH THE UNITED STATES 94% OF THE TIME!!!!! Do you see what I see here??? US Foreign Aid to those that hate the US: Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid. Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid. Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid. India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually in US Foreign Aid. In the past couple of years The Taliban terrorized the people of Afghanistan and gave safe haven to Osama Bin Laden, they received $143,000,000 in US Foreign Aid. Sudan voted 75% against the United States and received $1,121,000 in US Foreign Aid. (The US State Department stated that the Sudanese government is guilty of providing a safe haven for a variety of terrorist groups including Osama bin Laden's organization, The Egyptian Jihad, The Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Hamas. The Islamic government has also conducted a literal reign of terror against the Christians living in the southern part of the country.) The Palestinian Authority will receive $500 million dollars in US Foreign Aid over the next five years!!! This happened due to the Oslo" Agreement" of 1993, The Palestinians were seen on ABC News openly celebrating and dancing in the streets at the news of both suicide bombings on Sept. 11th. Israel, it must be noted, receives three billion in US Foreign Aid. However, as I noted above, for the last 5 years it has an average record of voting with the United States 94% of the time. There is clearly no incentive for most countries to support the United States, as they will receive US Foreign Aid regardless of their stances. Perhaps it is time for the United States to deny things such as money, scientific, technological, medical expertise, and education to nations who simply will not assist or protect American interests? Worse yet, your Federal dollars go to and support all of the anti-American groups trying to destroy the "American way of life". Ya gotta love it!

So that means that the US buys Israels votes/support?!?!?!

I think that the VOTING for a nations dicision has nothing to do with the amount of AIDS it recives. AIDS is humanitarian, isn't?!?!.. or otherwise it would be like, we give you aids if you SUPPORT or decisions.

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Originally posted by occrider I think they sum up the middle east pretty well ... Israel: I'm not going to give you a state until you stop terrorist attacks. Palestinians: We're not going to stop terrorist attacks until you give us our state. Both: Fine let's just agree to kill each other. Everybody is happy in the end I guess.

i totally agree ?????

....... that both sides are just as bad as each other - and are both attacking either, and neither really want peace.


But, since Israel is essentially the 'occupying force', many would see that they are in the wrong. Of course, many people dont see them as wrong - but you can bet that if America was opposed to Israel then they would have very very very few fans.

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Originally posted by melech_mike Banned... for what?!?

Being an utter c*nt, i presume?

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My use of the word 'asshole' is as justified as you may feel yours was.

Yes, but you see, I quoted it - you know quoting, like how you quote 50 reports a day on here from right wing 'news' sites.

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I know it's always a sad and depressing day in your part of the world with 250+ days of rain and gloom, but over on this side of the Atlantic we're enjoying the sun with smiles on our faces. Don't get me started with you today!

Actually it's really warm here - and considering you live in Toronto, apparently a city which can get down to -25c or so, I dont know what the fuck your talking about. You really have prooved yourself to be a clueless tw*t yet again.

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I'll be leaving for Israel in 14 days. My group has a meet with Wolf Blitzer (of CNN) on the 3rd of July. That should be exciting!~

I hope you enjoy your holiday to Palestine!

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Originally posted by joeh152 I hope you enjoy your holiday to Palestine!

Ok, you know that this was a stupid comment.

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Sweet, I'm going on vacation to the roman province Brittania sometime soon as well.

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