Yeah, MP3s don't sound all that great, especially 128kbps ones.

BUT, if processed through a nice mixer, outboard EQ etc that a club is likely to have, as well as pounded through 15" subs into drunk peoples ears, they are not likely to notice.

DJ Jade has probably the sweetest setup here, 3 technics and a Xone64, along with high fidelity Klipsch Speakers and Tube amps. Of course he'll be able to hear MP3 quality as opposed to vinyl, but your average club goer won't notice.

Personally, i download too, but i would only spin a CDR "out" if it was burned from at least a 192kbps mp3 (and sounded good) and also if it was IMPOSSIBLE to get the song on vinyl or CD.

but bedroom DJing, it's fun for.

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Sure the CDJ-1000 and S-5000 has a lot of bells and whistles but how often is that used? Unless there is intention to use ALL the features regularly on the CDJ-1000 or the S-5000 why not get a regular cd player? Or a dual CD-player. If CDJ-100 is too crappy get the dual Denons or dual Pioneer.n Just as good minus the ability to scratch.

The bells and the whistles are the reason you pay that much for any piece of equipment....

Why do you buy an access virus over a $100 casio keyboard... because it has more bells and whistles
why do you buy a BMW over a Kia... it has more bells and whistles...
Why buy an Allen & Heath mixer over a Numark mixer???? Get the idea....

At first the extras might not seem all that useful, but then when you start using them and finally master them, you'll wonder how you DJ'd without them....With expensive, complicated equipment you can eventually grow into it.. Start out with just the basics and when you're ready start learning the more advanced features.

I don't really like the Pioneer dual CD players... they feel like they are going to fall apart... Then Denon 2600 and 9000 are both quality pieces of equipment but all these cost upwards around $800- $14000 also.
But the only way you find out which is best for you is to try them all out... Maybe all you want is a cdj100, maybe not. Try them out, take your time with each piece and then decide. Don't let us make up your mind....
I bought the denon's because they were the ones I liked the most and enjoyed testing out the most. And that was the main reason I bought them.

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Yeah man like the others said, if you have the money, go for it. My friend has one and I use his all the time. He only has the Pioneer CDJ-100s which are MUCH cheaper than the 1000s. They do the job but man would I love to have a 1000. If you have the funds, do it.

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Originally posted by dj_moonshine i use cd's only, does that mean that i download??? hell no, people who download are just stupid in my opinion, dont you think if everyone in the world just downloads all the time, wont it kill the whole music industry? i thought school was important, why dont they teach u these things in school??? lol.

yea lol man, looks like we agree eventually somethings gonna have to be done about downloading

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I have a decenet car set-up, and I can definitely tell 128kbps and 192kbps mp3's. BUT my passengers can NOT tell. Basically I look for distortions in vocals (if there are any) and distortions in the highs. It's simply not as crisp.

Bottom line: normal clubbers can not tell if you spinning mp3s or not.

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Originally posted by DJ Mil0 yea lol man, looks like we agree eventually somethings gonna have to be done about downloading

i download reggae hip hop sometimes cuz i dont really give a shit about that industry, i support the trance industry which means i buy trance cd's.

Personally I will usualy only download if it's mainstream and I wouldn't play it in a club. I must confess that I have a deep rooted hatred for the major players in the music industry. They have made it so expensive. When the music industry introduced the CD they used the opportunity to make more money. CDs are faster and cheaper to produce than vinyl yet they cost more (With the exceptions of the singles industry).

Phil Collins has a few things to answer for as he actually brought about a dramatic price change in the mid 90s as he and I quote "feels the work that went into this album means that it justifies paying a little more". If that was a ploy or not by the company behind him I'm not sure. But the point is that this happened before anyone had ever heard of napster.

Lars Ulrich of Metallica has a few things to answer for too. In 1984 (give or take a year or two) the band released the album 'Kill 'em all'. This wasn't meant to be the original name of the album but due to a problem with the record company not liking the original name 'Metal up your ass' the name was changed to the previous mentioned. The message was to the industry that they felt the companies controled too much and was too profit driven in other words they wanted to kill them all (metaphorically speaking).
In 87ish Metallica announced a dislike to music videos and how MTV was bad for the music culture and how it discriminated against rock. In 1989 the group recorded their first video which played on MTV... The black album saw them achieve world mainstream success. A decade or so later, Lars is the champion of the cause to save the profits of the recording companies and artists alike who do nothing but exploit a stagnant market. Napster up your ass Lars!

As for downloading trance music, I usualy only do it if it's an old hard to get track or if I haven't been able to find it on vinyl yet. I never play downloaded music in clubs. From a legal point of view it's a hefty violation of the clubs public performance licence agreement and can get you and the club into a lot of sh*t. The likelyhood of anyone checking up on you is a different matter.
I have a lot of time for independant record labels as they are often set up by the likes of us. Young producers, DJs and enthusiasts like us are often at the root of them with plenty of time and money going into them. Keep supporting them/us.
Due to the nature of the club scene it's very difficult for the major companies to keep up with it. They don't handle change very well and don't work on the priniciples of 'give people what they want' it's more 'tell them what they want'.
With the club culture we have something where an unknown can still spring from nowhere without having to go through all the BS that comes with it. I beleive Ferry Corsten was discovered by just sending out white lables to record stores with just a phone number on the label.

Anytime something gets so big that it looses it's personal touch people will in time get bored or will end up hating it. An example of this is the super clubs in Ibiza, they have played a big part in the decline of the interest in the white isle of fun by charging f*ck off mad prices to get in. I'm not worried though, the club scene is always reinventing itself so it will be cool to see what music/technology comes along soon.

Nem

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So here's something I've never been able to understand...

Someone makes a bootleg single or whatever... Presses thousands of copies of it. sells it at record stores, Dj's buy it and then play this single out at a club... Shouldn't this whole process be illegal too. The original artist never agreed to the samples or whatever, but still the record is created and palyed in clubs too... Why is this OK and/or acceptable, but playing a downloaded MP3 (which is an illegal copy of a song just as a bootleg would be) is not accepted...

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i was thinking of getting this dj equipment because i really want to start djing maybe like at partys/clubs/bedroom...is this a good set to start with? appreciate any advice

Gemini ScratchMaster 4.0

Price: $363.00

* XL-300 (2) direct-drive turntables with cartridges and styli
* PMX-500 stereo DJ mixer
* PM-100 (2) self powered monitor speakers with cables
* EM-50 stereo light-wieght headphone
* GM-26 Unidirectional Handheld Mic with cable/clip
* 3 year warranty
* Weight: 65 Lbs.

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Originally posted by pumavisor808 So here's something I've never been able to understand... Someone makes a bootleg single or whatever... Presses thousands of copies of it. sells it at record stores, Dj's buy it and then play this single out at a club... Shouldn't this whole process be illegal too. The original artist never agreed to the samples or whatever, but still the record is created and palyed in clubs too... Why is this OK and/or acceptable, but playing a downloaded MP3 (which is an illegal copy of a song just as a bootleg would be) is not accepted...

Damn good question.

Actually bootlegs do violate the performance licence but the thing is that most people tend to think that if it's on vinyl it's 'official'.
I think (and this is only a hunch) that the difference being that the main offence was commited by the bootlegger and not you, where as if you create a CD with a song that you did not purchase the rights for you will be committing an offence. A record store is the next step in that chain who could get hit for supplying unlicensed music and then ultimately the artist who used the samples without permission.

Personally I am not a big fan of bootlegs or mash ups as most of them are shit but occasionaly there are some good ones. If one of these songs gets big enough then there is usualy a deal between them and the original artist when they sign the deal.

Someone who just makes copies of other peoples music just to make money for themselves is just plain wrong.

I guess the biggest dilema is from tunes like Size Tripple D 'No one listens to techno' which uses that Eminem sample. Not legal and no intensions of ever being released but was totaly hammered during the whole summer by loads of DJs (myself included).
In all honesty Pumavisor808 I have no good anaswer for you... and thus have myself my own mini paradox

Cheers
Nem

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