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Vert
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quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Firebird is a good browser and much less of a hog, but its mouse gestures are garbage. No matter what options I set or how short/long I take to do it, it just says "Mouse Gesture cancelled." Seriously, I can't even see in the statusbar what the gesture is before it says cancelled. I wonder if some of you people who list that as a feature have actually tried using it - it doesn't seem to work at all.


I don't use mouse gestures. What kinds of commands do you use with them?
I just use my intellimouse explorer for back and forward.

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OPERA IS THE BEST!

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opera is ugly and doesn't view pages correctly
esp tables


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I've had huge problems with IE6 on Windows XP. The Java and Javascript as well as numourous other things have stopped working on it.

I still hold my opinion that IE5.5 is the best browser around. I've used it on many computers and never had any problems with it at all.

Mozilla is nice, and I even managed to work it on Windows NT 3.51 . However, it's somewhat sluggish when compared to IE.

Any version of Opera, I cannot stand.

For a laugh, here's some ancient browsers trying to render the TA vbulletin:

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IE1 (1995)


Thought IE1 was mosaic... weird...

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DigiNut
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quote:
Originally posted by Vert
I don't use mouse gestures. What kinds of commands do you use with them?
I just use my intellimouse explorer for back and forward.

es

Even the back/forward ones are a pain, haha. Maybe it's some kind of conflict, who knows.

Firebird is nice though, it's almost as small and fast as Opera but it's also W3C compliant and has lots of nice features. Only thing that pisses me off (other than gestures not working) is that the autoscroll is terrible, you can't make it scroll fast and I use that ALL the time in IE.


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Just loaded Firebird.. and works fine till now.. i will see..


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in my opinion phoenix never really even came close to opera in terms of raw speed. the mozilla project was specifically designed to be cross platform portable code and its had about a billion different people contribute to it's codebase both of which aid to the fact it is rather sluggish. On a side note mouse gestures work *perfectly* with opera... i don't know where you got firebird from cos i wasn't even talking about that (i was just saying how it was related to mozilla). I'd like somebody to show me some examples of pages that don't render correctly in opera but do in mozilla as i'm throwing the bullshit flag on that one. A lot of incorrect renders have to do with the fact by default opera 7 masquerades itself as IE6 in order to avoid being borked by dubious webmasters who block anything but IE6 from viewiing there page (even though opera still renders it correctly). There isn't anything to *NOT* like about opera. It's an insanely small download package (3.2 meg's without java), blazingly fast, *RARELY* crashes (even if it does you pick back up right where you left off), and rarely renders a page incorrectly (I can't honestly think of any offhand besides msn.com which is fixed by telling msn.com you are IE6). In my (humble) opinion people who choose mozilla over any browser (yes even IE6) are just open source zealots.. the damn thing is *soooo* buggy (granted i haven't used it in ~4 months). For example, when a socket times out (usually to an adserver) the whole fucking page doesn't draw until it times out (which takes 90 seconds)... WTF??? and that was in milestone 1.1.. It was a commendable effort but ultimately it was just too ambitious of a goal to be completely portable and be efficient... Word is AOL is about to pull the plug on 'zilla too so goodbye any further development.


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Open source zealots, eh?

In IE 5.5, I have to control+alt+del and kill it every few hours. In Mozilla, I have approximately 2 crashes a month.

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in my opinion phoenix never really even came close to opera in terms of raw speed. the mozilla project was specifically designed to be cross platform portable code and its had about a billion different people contribute to it's codebase both of which aid to the fact it is rather sluggish. On a side note mouse gestures work *perfectly* with opera... i don't know where you got firebird from cos i wasn't even talking about that (i was just saying how it was related to mozilla). I'd like somebody to show me some examples of pages that don't render correctly in opera but do in mozilla as i'm throwing the bullshit flag on that one. A lot of incorrect renders have to do with the fact by default opera 7 masquerades itself as IE6 in order to avoid being borked by dubious webmasters who block anything but IE6 from viewiing there page (even though opera still renders it correctly). There isn't anything to *NOT* like about opera. It's an insanely small download package (3.2 meg's without java), blazingly fast, *RARELY* crashes (even if it does you pick back up right where you left off), and rarely renders a page incorrectly (I can't honestly think of any offhand besides msn.com which is fixed by telling msn.com you are IE6). In my (humble) opinion people who choose mozilla over any browser (yes even IE6) are just open source zealots.. the damn thing is *soooo* buggy (granted i haven't used it in ~4 months). For example, when a socket times out (usually to an adserver) the whole fucking page doesn't draw until it times out (which takes 90 seconds)... WTF??? and that was in milestone 1.1.. It was a commendable effort but ultimately it was just too ambitious of a goal to be completely portable and be efficient... Word is AOL is about to pull the plug on 'zilla too so goodbye any further development.


You sound like a zealot yourself..

Firebird and Phoenix are the same thing. They renamed it.

"There isn't anything to *NOT* like about opera." Right.. Opera is very ugly, is not free , (well the "free" version is adware), and has a hard time loading large ammounts of content. I opened up maybe 10 pages full of images, and the thing crashed, every time. Stability my ass.

"In my (humble) opinion people who choose mozilla over any browser (yes even IE6) are just open source zealots.." I buy my software, I buy my office, my windows, and most anything else I use. I'm not an "open source zealot". I choose firebird because it gets the job done better than the other browsers. Period. You are ignorant.

"For example, when a socket times out (usually to an adserver) the whole fucking page doesn't draw until it times out (which takes 90 seconds)... WTF??? "
I have no idea what you are talking about.. and I've used mozilla as my secondary browser for a while..

Next time, could you post with somewhat better punctuation and split it up into more paragraphs? Your post was one big mash of text to decipher.

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Word is AOL is about to pull the plug on 'zilla too so goodbye any further development.



Um... AOL just gave Mozilla $2 mil to work on the browser

Catch up on your news.

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