Both producing and Djing are easy stuff if you stick with it. You know how the staying goes "Practise makes perfect", well this is true and very easily applied to the things you love.

I mean Djing can be learnt in less than a month BUT producing takes 1-2 years because it takes more skill BUT that's what you call the learning phase, you will still not learn all the producing secrets in that 2 years but you will learn the structure and so on of a electronica song. And no it's not all about 4/4 crap, you have remember every little sample you hear, hi-hats, kicks, beats and so on...to the last little sample AND this is when you will succeed in what you do and this is when you will produce what your mind thinks is good, rather than whatever you can produce by guessing what happens by pressing a button or turning a knob a bit.

songs can be made in one day if you want BUT you still got to go through the learning phase.

Same as driving a car, first time you drive, do you reckon you could ace every corner and be able to not panic and screw up, I don't think so.

Practise what you love...i know i am.

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Originally posted by CopFish I was wondering that is DJ:ing hard ? I'd like to try making mixes, but need some good programs and i don't think fruityloops alone will do =)

of course you can DJ with fruity... just use the fruity scratcher....

lol

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Originally posted by Nell i call it channel fading ... Ive never toucehd the crossfader ever (only when messing about), it stays bang put in the middle channel fading gives more control over the volumes for getting that perfect transition. thats just my peronal preference though ;D

ye if im playing trance i never use the crossfader.. the channel faders are much smoother (unless u have curve adjustment on ur mixer.. even then channel faders more precise) but i usually play hard stuff or techno, involving lots of cutting and general arsing about

Dj_Psygnosis: producing is hard.. its not all just about technical ability and manipulation. you have to have good ideas of ur own, be able to get that down in a track how u want it, and be able to give an interesting structure etc etc etc.. IMO DJing is easier than producing, based on the fact that its took me 2 or 3 years of producing to make it sound proffesional and good, whereas DJing has took me just under a year to reach a good standard

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Originally posted by tu_face Dj_Psygnosis: producing is hard.. its not all just about technical ability and manipulation. you have to have good ideas of ur own, be able to get that down in a track how u want it, and be able to give an interesting structure etc etc etc.. IMO DJing is easier than producing, based on the fact that its took me 2 or 3 years of producing to make it sound proffesional and good, whereas DJing has took me just under a year to reach a good standard

Oh yeh that's what i meant, i meant to say that Producing is easy when you actually go through that learning process. After than you can start creating quick songs BUT as you said "you have to have good ideas of ur own, be able to get that down in a track how u want it", that's when you know how to REALLY produce.

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I think being a good producer as well is what seems to separate the great DJs from the bedroom DJs. Think of some of today's top DJs: PvD, Tiesto, Armin van Buuren, etc........they all produce quality tracks. I think by producing quality tracks, DJs get respect. This allows them to get ahold of tracks that your average bedroom DJ can't. PvD is a prime example. He plays so many quality tunes that either take a long time to release, or never get released (88 to Piano(PvD Rework) ---> damn you Paul). Even when they do get released, they might tend to be tired by the time the bedroom DJ gets it.

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Originally posted by DJYaNiK Pick up "How to DJ Right". Sit down and read it multiple times. Memorize it for it is a holy book in the world of the DJ. Learning to DJ is hard... Lots of beatmatching plus getting used to seperating beats... It's crazy! lol

Beatmatching alone wouldn't mean jack shit anymore. Hell, they got seniors spinning in retirement homes nowdays who can beatmatch better than Tiesto. Whoops! did I just bust on Tiesto??? Oh, anyway... sadly, making it as a DJ alone is virtually impossible nowdays. You gotta have something that would put you on the map. Having a few killer tracks is bound to get some doors open for you. Look at G&D - or even Ferry Corsten for that matter.

The sad truth is that you have a better chance of making it as a sports player rather than a DJ. If you think bout it - how silly is that??? you spin records and people think you are a fucking GOD! Now, take the same DJ outside of his "usual" community of listeners and he's just "that guy who plays that terrible techno!" when will he be putting britney back on???

BTW, just came back from the Jersey Shore and I heard something which just made me cringe and wanted me to kill the DJ. Here I was enjoying my sand-encrusted ice tea, chilling outside of one of the local hotspots. I hear DJ spinning some house/prog/trance and he lays down "Nothing but you" - you see most of the meatheads who were jupming to "sandstorm" just stop cold in their tracks. few people were dancing. so, dj puts some some alt-rock song remix and the place goes wild. This just goes to show you "THE STATE OF TRANCE".

So, don't think that you'll just land a supa-sta-dj gig anytime soon. by that time the fad maybe over. you'll gave more diversified version of Winamp which will be just broadcasted in 3-d hologram in the club... to bunch of wasted candykids this will be just as cool.

just my HO.

g'luck m8t

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Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis Oh yeh that's what i meant, i meant to say that Producing is easy when you actually go through that learning process. After than you can start creating quick songs BUT as you said "you have to have good ideas of ur own, be able to get that down in a track how u want it", that's when you know how to REALLY produce.

No offense, I have been messing around in my own "studio" for the last 3 years. I have sunk almost $15K into it and spend about 3-4 hours a day in the studio. I'm nowhere near being able to say that I have a "worthwhile" material. I am only now beginning to scratch the surface, and only because I started interfacing with the people who are much more tallented than me and have been doing this professionally for a while. Sure, it seems easy - start a proggy lay down some sounds, loop them, add a beat - you're set! just wait for those record execs to call.

Honestly - it is a hard fukcing work which takes so much time and money it becomes almost unbearable, where you start asking yourself "why am I doing this"?

anyway, I'm ranting on. this sounds like a perferct topic for "production studio" section of the forums.

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