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Originally posted by Palestinian It's like the American revolution. British soldiers come to dictate an American's life, so the American takes a gun and fires at them to defend his way of life and his home.

ya except Americans didnt go to London and kill kids. They fought against the ARMY NOT THE CIVILIANS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T COWARDS LIKE YOU.

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Last edited by 'mju:zik on Sep-28-2003 at 12:06

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Originally posted by Palestinian Let me just say that there really is no difference between Palestinian gunmen and civilians. Palestinians as a whole are revolting against Israeli occupation. Civilians take up arms or stones to fight soldiers and tanks. Anyone could have a gun to fight with. This is a revolution. Everyone participates in defending the land. When you say Israeli soldiers are fighting militants, you should be aware that it means Israeli soldiers are fighting civilians with guns. Civilians who decide to defend their land and their homes. It's resistance. And not everything the resistance does is something to be proud of. But nevertheless, it is resistance. You fight the oppressor with whatever means necessary. They come to invade your land, you take up arms, you find guns and fight to the death for your home and honor. When the IDF is fighting "militants", it means they are fighting civilians who are defending their land. I hope that makes sense to you. It's like the American revolution. British soldiers come to dictate an American's life, so the American takes a gun and fires at them to defend his way of life and his home. Many families wish to arm themselves. You've seen this situation in movies all the time, but you have trouble linking them to Palestinians because of the effect the media has had on you.

I have 2 questions for you.

1. Why did the palestinian side back down from the Oslo agreement?
2. Why do maps of palestine in the offices of Al Fatah show palestinian territory is covering all of the israeli state?

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 this is one of the stupidest statements i've heard all week. thanks.

and for me to hear that the IDf soldiers are terrorists is the most stupid thing,so i think that its the same

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i have with great support already proven that the IDF have frequently targeted children. Its your chioce to research it if you want, but it does happen.

yea thats right becuse all israelies are evil and they dont have a soul

and about Palastinian posts,i dont think i should convince you people that he is wrong,if i do..i suggest you to check your common sense and human decency to understand that 18 yrs old boys and even 32 years old soldiers that have famlies are also people.

there"s no point to even read his posts becuse all he did was wave around with the UN(that have how much arabs in it?) hypocrite treating to israel,i mean if the UN say that the situation of the arabs is so fukin bad becuse of the israelies then they whould have done something already,oil makes people do crazy things
The EU is sponsering terror by paying suicide boombers famelies after they are ded.

i guess its like the head of the Hamas orginazation said:we will always have the EU and the UN by our side,a thing that is very true.

and palastinian again why do you think israel wants to control the palastinian people?! dont we have enough on our heads without controling them?
the terror Org. and the palastinian people have diffrent agenda from yours,becuse what they are wanting is impossible,we cant give them everything so they do suicide boombing until they will get it,what do you want that we wont go on war with these people and let them kill us?!



HELL NO!!

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik haha thats so stupid you're actually saying that the death of an infant is avenging the attacks carried out by armed forces. shouldn't they be targeting the people that attacked them instead of defenseless 2 month old girls? oh wait they are too big a pussies.

maybe after this we will try to convinve some feminists to read playboy?

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Originally posted by Palestinian GET OFF MY LAND if you want peace!

thats bull there was no IDF in the terretories in 96 but still there was terror.
the terror ORG. want an impossible thing,they want more then they deserve,we cant give you TEl-aviv and the entire jerusalem SORRY!!
and until terror will stop there will be no Palastine,its a very simple thing.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I have 2 questions for you. 1. Why did the palestinian side back down from the Oslo agreement? 2. Why do maps of palestine in the offices of Al Fatah show palestinian territory is covering all of the israeli state?

1.the palastinians have only signed the agreement in the first place becuse the hamas was not strong enough beck then, this is also the reason that the org. agreed to the current agreement for a while,becuse theyve wanted to improve theyre missile Tech.
2.this is what ive been saying!! the org. see the entire israel as settelment so therefor they do terror in the entire israel and not just in the real settelments,theyre agenda is getting israel and not what they really sould have.

Last edited by Viber on Sep-28-2003 at 14:56

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Originally posted by Viber and for me to hear that the IDf soldiers are terrorists is the most stupid thing,so i think that its the same

you can't compare the IDF to an american police force...they're two completely different entities. get your facts straight before you post, because you only make yourself look like a fool.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A Palestinian gunman shot dead a two-month-old baby girl and a man who opened the door to him at a Jewish settlement in the West Bank on Friday as Israelis celebrated the Jewish New Year. oh yea Israel should definately go easy on them.

It seems to me that this quote does not imply that the shooter intentionally shot the child. The way I would read that is, man opens door with kid, shooter opens fire instantly without thinking.

Either way it's horrible but I thought I would add that perspective, because clearly regardless of action intent does make some difference.

I would also like to add that it is not reasonable to look at both the actions of Israel and Palestine in the same way because their is a fundamental difference between the two of them. Israel is in the position of power and Palestine is clearly not.

Also the UN condems MANY things without any actions. Look at the massacre in Rowanda of the Hootsies. They condemed that and even moved to action about it. Unfortunatelly 90 days to late. They condem things all the time but very infrequently even try to act.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 you can't compare the IDF to an american police force...they're two completely different entities. get your facts straight before you post, because you only make yourself look like a fool.

sure i can,theres people who say that the police is treating minorities diffrent,theres a rather large number of people who claim that the police is killing black children becuse they are black and they say that they are not moral like other police departments in other areas and i found a similarty between the two

i know its a two diffrente entities but i also know that theyre job are pretty much the same


















you know what..
Fuck it,i really dont have the power to argue on this isuue..

Last edited by Viber on Sep-28-2003 at 16:21

thanks for realizing the truth and not bickering pointlessly.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 thanks for realizing the truth and not bickering pointlessly.

no,im just too tired